Closest stylically HW to Ali before Ali?

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  1. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Active Member Full Member

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    Have you ever seen the full fight from Corbett?
     
  2. Pat M

    Pat M Active Member Full Member

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    that you're impressed by Corbett's "skills" tells me all I need to know about your knowledge of boxing mechanics. Watching old fights is like watching Yale play Princeton in football in 1910, there is nothing to learn.
     
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  3. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Active Member Full Member

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    That's not the answer to my question.
     
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  4. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I actually think the older generations (to an extent) were more skilled than the modern one. However you using that 2nd clip as a testament to Corbett's skills is quite frankly laughable.
     
  5. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Not here for the fairy tales Full Member

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    Why would I call it an "unimpressive 'combination'"? Well, it's hard to see clearly but from what I can tell: He throws the first right while lifting his right foot; he throws throws the uppercut while basically standing straight up; and the lefts appear to have nothing on them. The combination didn't seem especially fast or fluid, or the punches well-thrown. It got the job done but as several of us have already written, there really isn't anything special there.

    I'm glad you agree that the second series of punches wasn't impressive.

    Maybe there's a misunderstanding, but I don't think anybody in this forum doubts that fighters in Corbett's era sometimes threw series of punches in continuous succession.
     
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  6. louis54

    louis54 Active Member Full Member

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    Tunney, slattery, jack obrien
     
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  7. Pat M

    Pat M Active Member Full Member

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    the reason you called it an "unimpressive combination" is because it was. Corbett had no idea how to shift his weight, he had no footwork to get his body behind the punches, he didn't know how to keep his punches short, it was just a man flailing his arms like any untrained person would do when throwing a series of punches AND while holding his chin high. He looked like he was untrained, and compared to modern fighters, he was. Who was around to train people in his time? There was no video, little training available, and the competition was unimpressive. Corbett was an unskilled boxer.

    One could spend a year putting together a highlight video of the best skills exhibited by all of these old timers and find one or two decent techniques from each one, or one could watch any video of a skilled fighter like Evander Holyfield, SRL, or Usyk and see the same "highlight" skills demonstrated time after time and done much better. What works in the ring has been kept, refined, and perfected, what didn't has been discarded. The ones who want to believe that Corbett was the same as a modern fighter can enjoy their fantasy, as long as they don't learn anything about boxing technique.
     
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  8. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. Full Member

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    Ali style was unorthodox. He relied upon fast reflexes and quick feet, similar to Corbett.

    When reviewing past champions, Ali had a lot of praise for Tunney.
     
  9. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Active Member Full Member

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    Fair enough, thanks for explaination. I'm not sure I agree with everything you said but some of your criticism has bases and I'm certain that you know more about boxing than me. I still think that your standards are a bit too high, because you very rarely praise fighters (especially older ones but even more recent).

    Would you say that Corbett showed anything impressive in the footage we have?

    Also, what do you think about Fitzsimmons? I did very short film about some Fitz punches from Corbett fight, but I have too short fight video to make something impressive. Anyway, here it is:

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  10. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Active Member Full Member

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    I may agree with some of your points, but I know that you bash pretty much all pre-60s fighters and you have clear agenda.

    You also don't keep in mind how different boxing rules and equipment are in 1900s. You had to fight for over 20 rounds with much smaller gloves (high guard is useless) and clinching and rough inside tactics were much more acceptable. Do you think that someone fighting in modern style would be successful with that circumstances?
     
  11. Minotauro

    Minotauro Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Didn't know Ali said that, makes sense though. I know he said he was more impressed with Charles and Walcott on film then Dempsey.
     
  12. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If it wasn't special why did you imply it was impressive?
     
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  14. Colonel Sanders

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    nah
     
  15. Colonel Sanders

    Colonel Sanders NSB defector Full Member

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    Seeing Corbett all over this thread makes me cringe.
     
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