Cotto'z 5 vs Margo'z 5

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  1. san rafael

    san rafael 0.00% lemming Full Member

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    I think Williams could be vulnerable to Cotto's body work as well, somewhat - that's if Miguel was able to safely find his way inside consistently enough. Though Williams is a punching machine, and that is Cotto's absolute worst nightmare - a guy who never stops throwing combos no matter what you hit him with.
     
  2. BENNY BLANCO

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    Cotto foot movement would give Williams trouble from the start Williams beat Margo because Marg is a stationary target plain and simple, he's very hittable, and Cotto would obviously know that he has to fight on the inside something that Williams is not adapt to doing, and that would give Cotto all the time he needs to start working Williams long/lean body, and oh yeah Williams is not hard to hit in the face, as Sharmba Mitchell showed and even Quintana again in that one single round in which he got KO, and obviously Cotto can punch hard so all in all I see Williams would actually have problems trying to connect with authority on the shorter Cotto because Cotto would take this fight just as seriously and won't elect to brawl or trade and would know to circle Paul and counter him easily.
     
  3. BENNY BLANCO

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    :lol: :patsch :lol: :patsch :lol: :patsch
     
  4. san rafael

    san rafael 0.00% lemming Full Member

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    LOL, you ain't gonna like what happens on the 26th, fanboy. Believe that, son.

    You better stick to the smileys. That's wise.
     
  5. Ambition_Def

    Ambition_Def **** the people. Full Member

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    Uh, Cotto is not Sweet Pea. He is also not Floyd Mayweather. He is also not Willie Pep. Stop inflating this guy's footwork please!

    Williams has a huge reach advantage as well as a height advantage. All he has to do is make Cotto come to him. That wipes out any speed advantage Cotto might have. And circling won't be an issue when you have that huge reach advantage. Cotto can't circle a man that size without trying to get inside first. He has to hope Williams gives up his height for that to work.

    Cotto is also easy to hit. Be honest about this now. You are seriously making his defensive ability out to be something it isn't. He's been tagged clean numerous times and hurt in a few fights. Williams would hit him no different.

    You are failing to recognize what Williams did not do in the first fight with Quintana. He was so easy to hit upstairs because he gave up his best asset - height. Speed is defeated by distance. Williams didn't keep his distance so he was beat to the punch by the faster man. Quintana landed maybe 2 good punches on Williams in the rematch before he got hammered. That reach is hard to overcome when used properly.
     
  6. Ambition_Def

    Ambition_Def **** the people. Full Member

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    Clottey would keep it live for about half the fight. Cotto would have some trouble finding Clottey early and he'd have to be careful not to take too much damage trying to press.

    However Clottey's willpower is his achillies heel. Cotto can make Clottey do all the work early on and make him use up that nervous energy. He just has to be careful not to take too many clean punches. And I think he's capable of doing that. Clottey doesn't have Margarito's punch, or even Williams punch or Cintron's punch. He has a decent punch but nothing that would crush Cotto in one-two shots.

    Margarito and Cotto are significantly bigger than Diaz though. If we are talking about that Diaz versus today's Cotto I think Diaz is simply broken down by the much bigger opponent. Diaz was best at 140 but at 147 he was out of his element. A semi-green Margarito still beat him inside and that had much to do with Margarito's size.

    Cintron has issues with confidence and willpower though. Against Cotto that is bad news. Cintron would be so concerned with what Cotto is doing that his offense would shut down. One or two good licks from Cotto would do it. Against Cintron you don't have to knock him out to discourage him. That is crucial here. Look at Cintron's history to see what I mean.
     
  7. san rafael

    san rafael 0.00% lemming Full Member

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    Clottey would give up.

    Diaz is too small.

    Cintron is a *****.


    Doesn't quite work for me.

    When Cotto fights in the future I'm sure we'll be on opposite sides of the line, if this is your true feeling. Maybe we'll get a chance to see how he actually holds up against Clottey or Cintron, but I doubt Top Rank will take that chance. They were willing to dump Cotto in with Margarito because there is an existing fanbase waiting to get excited about a Margarito win. When he does win Top Rank will have a new franchise. Cotto losing won't hurt his popularity. "The Company" will make more money if Margarito wins in the long term, it's that simple. They know Cotto could lose to any of these fringe elite types. They want it to be worth their while when he does.
     
  8. Ambition_Def

    Ambition_Def **** the people. Full Member

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    When it comes to those matchups certainly. Although I don't have issues with well represented arguments.

    They are live opponents, I'll say that much.
     
  9. Lance_Uppercut

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    The only person Cotto faced who has the best chance at beating Margarito is Shane. But that's not even a certainly today. As for Cotto, he'd beat anyone Margarito fought, which the slight exception to Mr. 170 Pound JrMW Santos. HIs size and skill would trouble any smaller fighters.
     
  10. blood_lust

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    I don't fully buy this at all. Cintron proved in the rematch with Margarito that he would keep swinging and took an enormous amount of punishment before he finally went down. It's not like he gave up in that fight, he simply was broken down by a much better fighter.

    Cotto doesn't have the overwhelming attack of Margarito and as such, Cintron wouldn't be pushed into trench warfare, his major weakness. He has legit one-punch KO power and those same punches he landed on Margarito would definitely hurt and drop Cotto, whose chin is nowhere near Margarito's.

    People forget that Cintron has only lost to Margarito, and while he may have struggled a bit with guys like Estrada and Feliciano, reality is they were competitive fights that he was clearly winning and ending both fights with brutal beat downs.

    Cintron has become severely underrated here by many fans and I can see him definitely stopping Cotto and vice-versa of course, but I would slightly favor him over Cotto due to styles.
     
  11. BigBoss

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    If you say so......Addison.
     
  12. Chiko_Tech

    Chiko_Tech Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Damm you are new here and now you are becoming one 0f top 5 Cotto's haters here, maybe you will disapear when Cotto beats Margo, like a lot of guys do, come here talk a lot of smak then disapear or just don't come until thaey all forgot about, just like Pantera2000
     
  13. Duhswag

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    Way to call it over a year prior to the fight :rofl
     
  14. walk with me

    walk with me Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    is cotto allowed to be in margarito's top 5?
     
  15. Bazooka

    Bazooka Pimp C Wants 2 Be Me Full Member

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    Cotto
    mosley (Best win so far on his resume)
    judah (Mentally Fragile not a good win IMO)
    quintana (Solid win this guy beat Williams once)
    pinto (Who)
    torres (The only reason he is here is cus he hurt Cotto he isnt a great win to be honest)


    margarito:
    cintron x 2 (Mentally fragile just like Judah but a bigger threat than Zab)
    clottley (Best win on his resume other than Cotto himself)
    diaz (Decent win Diaz was a tuff kid but nothing special)
    randall (Really?)
    Cotto (Biggest win)

    So basicly its Margaritos wins over
    Clottey
    Cintron
    Cotto

    vs

    Cottos wins over
    Mosley
    Judah
    Quintana

    I think Margarito wins this over all each of those guys he fought were in their prime.
    While Mosley and Judah were not.....

    Margarito wins this IMO