Could the change in roadwork be behind the emergence of SHWs?

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  1. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I actually saw, on this forum I think, that he did swimming instead of running to go easy on the joints.

    Marathon runners do training in intervals, so it's hardly detrimental to endurance.
     
  2. fists of fury

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    :lol:

    :good

    Work was not much fun today, but eh. Sometimes one just needs to cut loose.
     
  3. Mr.DagoWop

    Mr.DagoWop Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    I didn't say they were the tallest, I said they were TALLER than most places on average and I am correct according to you're table. Btw that table is highly innaccurate as it doesn't list a lot of countries like Czech Republic and Slovakia for example.

    Try again big boy.
     
  4. Bokaj

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    Sure, they're taller than Philippinos for example, but then Philippinos haven't made much of a splash in the HW division historically.

    Before the end of the Cold War the division had been dominated by Americans with Western Europeans making up the rest. The Eastern European and former Soviet states are in general shorter than people in Western Europe and the US, so I can't see how their entrance on the scene would make much difference.
     
  5. Mr.DagoWop

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    If you look back at my original post I indicated why the division was dominated by Americans and Western Europeans. Also, if you look at top super heavyweights like Klitschko, Pulev, Povetkin, Wach, Chagaev. Their countries of origin have 1 thing in common. They were all apart of the Soviet Union. Look at my first post for reference.

    I don't think the super heavies are all of that origin, I just think they made it more of a "norm" for the heavyweight division and everyone else followed. Now if you want validation for Scandinavians being the tallest ethnicity then yes. Whatever gets you through the night lol.
     
  6. Wass1985

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    You'd call Wilder a SH weighing in the 220lb's? Tyson Fury ain't tubby??
     
  7. Bokaj

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    These fighters come from countries with a somewhat lesser average height than the country(ies) that traditionally has dominated the HW scene.

    So I just can't see how the entrance of Russians and Ukrainians on the pro HW scene would increase the height in the division, since the medium height for people in these countries are less than that of the US.

    As for the second paragraph... What?
     
  8. Bokaj

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    Let put it this way, they're not 6'2-6'4 guys that have eaten themselves up to being big on the scales. Neither are Pulev and Wlad. If Wilder is a SHW or not at 227 lbs in his last fight and a frame that should be able to carry a fair bit more... perhaps, perhaps not. But on general these are big men.

    And Fury is much bigger than a typical HW of the early 80's whether he could stand to lose a couple of punds or not. He is a genuine SHW, of that there can't be much doubt.

    You suggested the only difference over the last 30 decades is that the HWs have gotten fatter. That is quite obviously not the case. The top 4 HWs of the mid 80's wasn't 2 metres on average and there weren't many of 250 lbs of solid muscle around.
     
  9. Mr.DagoWop

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    Why does it matter the height of people in the United States? Super heavyweight is a weight not a height. The countries I have been mentioning contain people of ethnicity that generally put on weight more than others as a product of evolution. The United States doesn't have an ethnicity like Mexico or other countries around the world. If we are talking about black fighters that have dominated the heavyweight division before super heavyweights then that is because of slavery and they were bred for desired traits.
     
  10. Bokaj

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    Don't know if there are lists over average weight, but I'm pretty sure America would dominate those. :)
     
  11. Unforgiven

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    If you want to get into the subject of "fast twitch", "slow twitch" muscles, "explosive" and "endurance" muscles (it's actually a lot less simple than that) ... it's a completely different subject to "Super Heavyweight" and "smaller heavyweight".

    Explosive athletes come in all shapes and sizes.
    So, even if the theory of long runs or steady 'slow' running excluding some potential boxers was correct, it has nothing to do with the size of the boxers.
    Lots of "super-heavyweights" are less explosive than their smaller rivals.

    Besides, athletes across the board are probably more likely to pick up injuries doing explosive sprints than slow-moderate jogs, although this is just a guess. At the very least it is 50-50.

    Also, let's be realistic, when it comes to running, many of the old-timer fighters were doing moderate distances, 2 to 3 miles, and at a moderate speed. Roadwork was just something that needed to be done, but I doubt many took it to an excess, unless they were gifted for it.
    The idea that there were crazed trainers barking at 250 pound fighters that they needed to do 7 to 10 mile runs daily until their joints broke down just doesn't seem likely at all.
    But that's just my take. :good
     
  12. Bokaj

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    I think you misunderstood me.

    The example of Danish footballers was just to show that there are indications that traits that would be an advantage with the right kind of training is a disadvantage with the wrong kind of training.

    It wasn't about explosive muscles in general. That was just part of the example with Danish footballers.

    They needn't be any more crazy than Danish footballer trainers that insisted on the same training for everyone, even though those with explosive muscles were much less suited for that training.

    But I'm not claiming anything with certainty here. Just aired a thought.