Couldn't possibly have existed how they are.

The more recent ones could exist as they are or be on even more juice and just be bigger unskilled punching bags for the likes of Ali, Louis and Liston.

 

You are overwhelmingly correct.
Some have the physique of Carnera in terms of overall muscle-& serious lifters can have way more muscle thanks to not only training but PEDs.
Carnera was like a much shorter Andre the Giant in having a pituitary condition, a form of giganticism.
But so many are bigger today due to a much larger population, weight training being so common & often effectively deployed, & (some take) PEDs.

 

No, you are getting the chain of causation wrong.
Some know he was a strongman.
But while this developed his strength, that would make his bones denser-not appreciably wider.
Things like his wrist hands & ankles being so large was due to him having a form of Acromeglia-you can see it in his face.
Abe Simon was another case.

With exercise, better nutrition & mainly steroids some carry far more muscle than Primo ever did.
Someone like Ronnie Coleman was under 6' & competed at ~ 300 lbs. & 5% body fat.
But this was from years of effective weight training & largely steroids & HGH.

 

This is intresting. are you saying that it is your opinion that without all the juicing and “modern help” only a form of gigantism is required for a natural Carnera like physique in taller fighters?

what are your thoughts on how a modern Superheavyweight might look (without the gigantism) under just old school training and nutrition?

 

Thanks for asking Choklab.
Good question. No, despite starting to fight even before steroids were invented, & without the benefit of modern training, any supplements, & in all likelihood mucho nutritional inefficiencies in terms of not having enough meals a day, in part too maximize protein uptake (only so much can be absorbed at one time & it having it often makes muscle synthesis more efficient...)

I have read he approached his natural potential.
While I'll bet he could have added at least little more, I read on this forum that he was 284 (6' 5 & a 1/2") for a fight early in his career. He probably lost a bit of unnecessary muscle after that.
Even if then he had more bodyfat, he was never heavy.

It is just that only the biggest HWs today are his size or come close.
To be his muscle weight & height, they either need to have a large, but unlike him not gigantic, bone structure, & likely virtually maximize their genetic potential...
Or have a smaller frame-still decent size of course-yet use PEDs.


As for your second question, some look more old school today & do not use PEDs.
But it is impossible to be sure who might have used much or dabbled in PEDs or was clean for a lifetime.
Now *if* folks are PED free & used just old training techniques, the main difference seems to me to be that even without drugs, the old guys id not maximize the development of a couple of large muscles.
Namely the chest & upper legs in general.

They did not need to get every bit of pectoral development for sports like boxing.
Ironically the biggest muscle the glutes may not be as valued in recent years.
And with PEDs, there tend to be more receptors for Androgen around the traps & neck, so that often gets disproportionately large.

Holyfield is an example of someone whose pattern of development is consistent with what we know he did, PEDs...And he never would have been that big-at least while doing signicant aerobic work in boxing training-without them.
He just did not have a huge bone structure.
Tyson was big early, & despite both having huge necks, even with the PEDs Evander did not have big legs, unlike Mike.

 

This is the only universal truth across all multiverses.

 

Plus Tyson didn`t start at cruiser and weighed more in his first pro fight than Holy did in his first pro heavy fight and Tyson was a lot younger when he started his pro career.

 

Valuev doesn’t qualify as a World champ, he was only an alpha holder.
He lost to ex cruiser Haye, while being “awarded” a decision over another ex cruiser, the past his best, Holyfield.
Not a pleasant thought, thinking of the poetry loving fellow, being fed to the likes of Frazier, Louis, Liston,Tyson etc.
Quite spoiled my day!

 

Spoiled my coffee and my laptop.

 

Marciano would have trouble with Valuev, yeah.
If that's what this thread is about.

 

He would have had trouble with his knee caps for sure.

 

The funniest part about this hypothetical poster is he's quick to say when he feels a fighter (like say I don't know Marciano) will pull off a victory, but then when said fighter is facing an insurmountable challenge, it turns into "this fight never could've happened/fighters like that wouldn't exist in his era so it's a moot point")... It gets to be as laughable as it is pathetic.

 

Is this thread about choklab ?