No, I've just put it out there. I said they were conflicting accounts, and that was a rumour. I haven't said that it was factual.
I'm not trying to slander anyone. I said there were conflicting accounts of why the fight wasn't made. At some point last year, I went online and I found the following information: Murad said he no showed at the press conference. There was speculation that he may have been out of shape, and that he'd been drinking. Kerry Davis stating that he and HBO tried to make the fight on numerous occasions. Reports from Roch's camp, stating that he was fit and healthy, and ready to fight. Reports stating that Telesco was a late replacement. Documents detailing the start of his court case against the WBC, in Jan 2000. Which is why I've said, both on this thread, and on one in the classic, that it was a strange case, due to the conflicting accounts.
You will have to excuse my cronological error. But it really doesnt change anything. Look at DM's next 4 fights after Hill. Are those better fighters than Jones was fighting? But lets get back to the Guthrie issue. DM had 90 days to fight him after Hill and chose to duck him and be stripped again. For that matter why did he never fight Nunn or Johnson? Fact is if you look into this a little deeper you can see just how biased and unfair youre being with Jones just to let DM skate on his almost parralel career.
You posted that there were reports of Roch being out of shape and drinking heavily. There were no reports of any such thing. You were posting slander as if it was a actual fact. Murad was talking ****. Who has ever heard of a fight being cancelled because a fighter did not turn up to a press conference. And when he was ordered to make the fight again he then came out with another set of excuses There was no speculation. The WBC was happy with Rochigianni's lawyers explanation which is why they ordered team Jones to make the fight again. Kery Davis was lying. Roch could not get a fight which is why he was forced to take the WBC to court in order to force them to enforce their own rules. The rules of the wbc state clearly that the wbc champion has to give the interim champion a title shot at the first available opportunity. Its the reson why the wbc was on Jones case to make the fight Roch even took out another court case against Murad Muhammad and that was when the fight finally got signed. Do you think Roch was spending all of that time and money with legal battles while turning down fights? And look what happened. At the first excuse Jones killed the fight. Which he was. He did not want to break his camp for a press conference. Pretty much irrelevant Which is when he took the wbc to court after they stupidly sided with Jones and then dropped him from their rankings Its obvious what the truth is . The fact that Rochigianni would go on to win his court case should really tell you all that you need to know.
Or you can post on the bogus hidden agenda "lets laugh at Roy Jones Career thread" After that you can post on the devout nuthugging Joe slappy Calzaghe greatest mw ever thread. Its politics baby boxing style dig up a few turds and turn a guys career into a mountain of shizit. Just so you can point the finger at the bad guy. Total bullshizit and quit brushing with ****flavored crest. :bbb:bbb:bbb
Another little fact, the WBA just threw their belt into the Jones tarver fight mix, very unusual at that tiem when the guys were fighting for the wbc.. has any other boxer been handed belts like Jones in the past ?
Zod, You're looking for an argument, and I'm not going to give you one. I've never purposely slandered anyone, which I've clarified. I said that after doing a bit of digging last year, I found conflicting reports. I listed everything that I found, and I left it open to interpretation. Now all of a sudden Kerry Davis was lying? Yet he wasn't on other links that you've previously posted? You're happy to post up links where HBO slated Roy, but then when the VP of HBO says they tried to make a fight, he was lying? I don't care that Roy never fought Roch. He fought better fighters and took on bigger challenges. I don't think that it's a glaring omission from his resume. What if he had've fought and beaten him? Would any of the jokers on here have given him credit? They'd have just dismissed the win, and then accused him of ducking someone else instead.
Jones and Joe are nothing alike and in terms as to who they fought Jones didn't pad his record to protect his 0 like Joe did . By the way why was this moved ?
He had thirty-six days. 90 days from the original date of the fight, but it got pushed back. There were 36 days between the time DM won the titles vs Hill and the time Guthrie won the vacant title. That's not a duck. It's ridiculous that I have to keep explaining this to you.
Joe Louis fought almost once a month for 13 months, many against top 10 fighters when there was only ONE belt. But DM couldnt do it against a "nobody" as you put it. Lmao!!
Loudon, I can't keep going back and forth with you because you're turning it into a Bailey thread. Your facts are not new; we all have access to them. What's happening is we're looking at the same situations and seeing them differently, so it's not worth arguing about. Me: Hopkins was one of RJJ's best wins, but Hopkins never beat anyone significant for the next 4 years and was learning on the job at that point. You: Hopkins was in his prime and a great fighter. Me: Toney was RJJ's best win, but Toney was clearly weight-drained and had already struggled with Nunn, McCallum, and Johnson and actually NEVER had another good win, later robbing Thadzi who DM beat easily. You: That's ridiculous, Toney was a great fighter. Me: Griffin was Toney's 3rd best win, even though his only good wins were controversial decisions over Toney and he was beating Jones at the time of the DQ in the first fight. It was impressive that Roy crushed him in the rematch. You: Griffin was an excellent fighter and RJJ dominated him. Me: RJJ fought a lot of terrible opposition, guys that had no quality wins before or after. You: Belts don't mater, but they were mandatories and good fighters that RJJ made look ordinary. RJJ wanted better opponents but they wouldn't fight him. And some of them were prior beltholders or went on to win belts, not that belts matter. Me: Roy lacked technical boxing skills and relied on athleticism and PED's. This is clear because once his athleticism left him, he was DOMINATED and looked clueless. This wasn't the case for guys like Moore, Calzaghe, Hopkins, and many others. You: RJJ had some of the best skills of all time. Me: RJJ looked impressive, but it was because his opponents were levels below him. We don't know how he would look against a good/great prime fighter at his own weight, but Griffin I and Tarver provide examples. You: RJJ made good fighters look ordinary. Me: RJJ ducked Nunn. You: No he didn't, he was just planning to go to heavyweight and he beat much better fighters than Nunn anyway. Me: RJJ ducked Rocchigiani (posts evidence from legal cases). You: No he didn't, Rocchigiani ducked him. And RJJ wouldn't get credit for fighting him and fought much better fighters anyway. Me: All 4 belts in the division should have belonged to DM (beat Hill and Rocchigiani), but they were stripped and handed to Roy via weak fighters. You: So what? Belts don't even matter since RJJ was better than him. Me: RJJ ducked DM. You: No he didn't, DM ducked RJJ (posts stuff from RJJ and RJJ's network claiming this). Me: RJJ ducked Collins (posts video of Collins challenging him in the ring during a postfight interview and being ignored by RJJ, Merchant, and panned out of the picture by HBO). You: Collins ducked RJJ, and he wasn't good anyway. Me: RJJ ducked a rematch with Hopkins. You: Hopkins ducked a rematch with RJJ. Me: The Ruiz win was just a cheap way of being abe to say RJJ was Heavyweight Champ. You: The Ruiz fight was one of RJJ's best wins, Ruiz was good, Ruiz was bigger. Me: Lots of other, smaller fighters have gone up to HW, won THE title, defended it, and moved back down to win lineal titles at other weights. You: Nobody has done that recently, so it doesn't matter and RJJ is still awesome for kind of doing it. Me: RJJ didn't pack on that much weight to move up, and I doubt it's the reason he was suddenly 'shot' when he fought Tarver and Johnson. You: RJJ packed on 13.75333334 lb of muscle. Mackie Shilstone. BF%. He cut muscle and was shot. Me: Tarver and Johnson had his number due to their styles. You: RJJ was shot. Me: RJJ was never lineal at any weight. You: Doesn't matter, since we all know he would have beaten those guys and lineal titles are overrated. You're supporting your points with things that Roy, his team, his network, and his trainer SAID, often years after the fact. You know as well as I do that people lie when they have an interest in the outcome of something (particularly when money or reputation is involved). You post quotes from fighters saying that Roy wasn't 'allowed' to fight them, but what fighter wouldn't want to make it clear that a great fighter's team was afraid their guy would get hurt by him? We all saw the Brannon interview which HBO set up to throw Roy softball, rehear$ed questions to justify the fact that their investment was not putting on quality shows that people wanted to see, so we know that Liles, Benn, etc. 'declined offers of over $1M.' What we don't know is the content of those offers, how they compared to what the fighters were already getting, or the timing of those offers (if the fighters already had something scheduled, had just fought, etc.). We don't even know if those offers even happened. I understand you're a Jones fan, and he was fun to watch. But think about what you're reading.