Criticizing Jones' resume

Alien · Jan 9, 2015

Loudon said: ↑

If you'd have changed the thread title, and asked genuine question, and made genuine points, then the thread would have been a success.

But this is clearly a troll thread, and it may be banned.

So if I were you, I'd do some editing.

Because not many people are going to comment on it.

You know I'm one of Roy's biggest fans, but even I can't take this bait.

Click to expand...

Why would it be banned when the majority of the post is factual.

The paragraph covering Roy's 175 reign is particularly telling about the smoke and mirrors that surrounded his whole time in that division.

You are a complete RJJ ****rider and cannot see what happened in front of your own eyes.

You have even said in the past that RICK FRAZIER would have SCHOOLED Andre Ward.atsch All to big up your fraudulent hero who was more interested in collecting paper trinkets like the WBF then fighting real challengers.

Now go back to watching those highlight reels of Roy looking a million dollars fighting garbage men and shot 135lbers like Vinny Paz... which apparently makes him the GOAT.

general zod · Jan 9, 2015

Alien said: ↑

Why would it be banned when the majority of the post is factual.

The paragraph covering Roy's 175 reign is particularly telling about the smoke and mirrors that surrounded his whole time in that division.

You are a complete RJJ ****rider and cannot see what happened in front of your own eyes.

You have even said in the past that RICK FRAZIER would have SCHOOLED Andre Ward.atsch All to big up your fraudulent hero who was more interested in collecting paper trinkets like the WBF then fighting real challengers.

Now go back to watching those highlight reels of Roy looking a million dollars fighting garbage men and shot 135lbers like Vinny Paz... which apparently makes him the GOAT.
Click to expand...

:happy:happy:happy

Peppermint · Jan 9, 2015

Let's all laugh at your embarrassing intellect

c-man shooter · Jan 9, 2015

KillSomething said: ↑

In many ways, Roy's manipulation of public perception, television networks, and sanctioning bodies opened the door for Floyd Mayweather and the constant b!tchassness that seems to define professional boxing today. Roy is best known for his light-heavyweight reign, where he faced a who's who of the nobodies and also-rans of the division. His LHW resume is not only terrible, it's also an embarrassment to himself, the sport of boxing, and anybody who buys into it's supposed legitimacy. Roy was never the lineal champion in any weight division, he was never the undisputed champion in any weight division, and his career is a fine example of just how much of a Wild West circus professional boxing was during his era.

His title reign began when he knocked out Griffin in 1 round. The fight was a rematch of Jones' first try, when he had been comprehensively outboxed by Griffin and was just beginning to turn the tide with his second knockdown when his frustration at not being better than his opponent came out. He hit Griffin twice while he was down, losing by DQ while behind on the cards.

Then things got weird:

Jones, vowing to never fight anybody who had a legitimate chance of beating him again, refused to fight his #1 contender Michael Nunn and was stripped by the WBC. Instead, Jones fought Virgil Hill, who had just lost his lineal title and WBA/IBF belts to Michalzcewski. Nunn and Graciano Rocchigiani fought for the vacant WBC title, which Rocchigiani won.

The WBC decided to give the title BACK to Jones (and was later nearly bankrupted when their decision was declared illegal in court), while the WBA stripped Michalczewski for having the WBO title simultaneously and the IBF stripped him for not making a defense against Willie Guthrie within 30 days of winning the belt from Hill. Jones then 'unified' the WBC and WBA belts by coming up from his first knockdown to beat Lou Del Valle, who had won the vacant WBA belt by beating Eddie Smulders. The next year, Jones won the IBF title by defeating Reggie Johnson (who had beaten Guthrie for the vacant belt).

Thus, Jones had become 'undisputed' champion by ducking his #1 challenger (Nunn) and stealing all 3 of his belts without fighting their rightful owners (Rocchigianni and Michalczewski). Jones would continue to duck Rocchigianni, cancelling a scheduled fight, along with steadfastly refusing to face the lineal and WBO champion Michalczewski. Thus, Jones was never anything more than the #1 contender for the lineal title at 175, a title he refused to fight for. The RING installed Jones as their champion at 175 without explanation or regard for lineage, and Jones hilariously attempted to get Michalczewski's name banned from being mentioned on HBO. Additionally, Jones never fought Nunn and continually avoided a rematch with a much-improved version of Bernard Hopkins.

After tiring of knocking out illegitimate challengers and getting busted for steroids at 175, Jones put on a WHOPPING 10lb of lean muscle and challenged the weakest beltholder at heavyweight, John Ruiz. Having won a heavyweight title, Jones refused to defend it or unify against Chris Byrd, Corrie Sanders, Lamon Brewster, or lineal heavyweight champ Lennox Lewis, instead choosing to drain himself back down to 175 and face Antonio Tarver, winning a robbery decision. Jones then rematched Taver in the first non-b!tch move of his career, getting comically KTFO and then repeating his trip to Where-the-f%ck-am-I in his next fight against Glen Johnson. After taking one more shot at Tarver and once again failing, Jones began the travelling circus that gave use such gems as 'Slapped Silly vs. Calzaghe,' 'KO1 vs Green,' and 'Oh My God, Is He Dead? vs. Lebedev.'

[B]Highlights:[/B]

Denis Lebedev Attempts To Murder Roy Jones:
[yt]DYf3IGQpF_M[/yt]

Lou del Valle Makes Roy Jones Look Like Bambi on Ice Skates:
[yt]jp7h37fMneg[/yt]

Antonio Tarver, Glencoffe Johnson, and Daniel Green Display Various Methods Which May Be Used To Separate Roy Jones From Consciousness:
[yt]A1WHHfzR-ZA[/yt]

RJJ Expresses His Admiration For The Skills Of RJJ And Has No Idea Bob Fitzsimmons Existed:
[yt]zGWRk-HHLhk[/yt]

Links:

Jose Sulaiman Explains How Sad He Is That He Owes Rocchigiani Money: http://www.***********.com/wbc-asks-rocchigiani-payment-grace--10203

A Young Ben Thompson Can Barely Conceal His Desire To Give RJJ Oral Pleasure: http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/fw82099.htm

Ducks:
Hopkins
Nunn
Rocchigianni
Michalczewski

Significant Wins:
James Toney
Bernard Hopkins

Opponent breakdowns to follow...
Click to expand...

Is this **** suppose to be funny? You sad depressed *****

DanishPride · Jan 9, 2015

Actually an excellent thread. He provides fact there is a lot of big question marks in RJJ career

lewis gassed · Jan 9, 2015

Roid Jones was Adonis Stevenson of his 175 era atsch

Imperial1 · Jan 9, 2015

KillSomething said: ↑

In many ways, Roy's manipulation of public perception, television networks, and sanctioning bodies opened the door for Floyd Mayweather and the constant b!tchassness that seems to define professional boxing today. Roy is best known for his light-heavyweight reign, where he faced a who's who of the nobodies and also-rans of the division. His LHW resume is not only terrible, it's also an embarrassment to himself, the sport of boxing, and anybody who buys into it's supposed legitimacy. Roy was never the lineal champion in any weight division, he was never the undisputed champion in any weight division, and his career is a fine example of just how much of a Wild West circus professional boxing was during his era.

His title reign began when he knocked out Griffin in 1 round. The fight was a rematch of Jones' first try, when he had been comprehensively outboxed by Griffin and was just beginning to turn the tide with his second knockdown when his frustration at not being better than his opponent came out. He hit Griffin twice while he was down, losing by DQ while behind on the cards.

Then things got weird:

Jones, vowing to never fight anybody who had a legitimate chance of beating him again, refused to fight his #1 contender Michael Nunn and was stripped by the WBC. Instead, Jones fought Virgil Hill, who had just lost his lineal title and WBA/IBF belts to Michalzcewski. Nunn and Graciano Rocchigiani fought for the vacant WBC title, which Rocchigiani won.

The WBC decided to give the title BACK to Jones (and was later nearly bankrupted when their decision was declared illegal in court), while the WBA stripped Michalczewski for having the WBO title simultaneously and the IBF stripped him for not making a defense against Willie Guthrie within 30 days of winning the belt from Hill. Jones then 'unified' the WBC and WBA belts by coming up from his first knockdown to beat Lou Del Valle, who had won the vacant WBA belt by beating Eddie Smulders. The next year, Jones won the IBF title by defeating Reggie Johnson (who had beaten Guthrie for the vacant belt).

Thus, Jones had become 'undisputed' champion by ducking his #1 challenger (Nunn) and stealing all 3 of his belts without fighting their rightful owners (Rocchigianni and Michalczewski). Jones would continue to duck Rocchigianni, cancelling a scheduled fight, along with steadfastly refusing to face the lineal and WBO champion Michalczewski. Thus, Jones was never anything more than the #1 contender for the lineal title at 175, a title he refused to fight for. The RING installed Jones as their champion at 175 without explanation or regard for lineage, and Jones hilariously attempted to get Michalczewski's name banned from being mentioned on HBO. Additionally, Jones never fought Nunn and continually avoided a rematch with a much-improved version of Bernard Hopkins.

After tiring of knocking out illegitimate challengers and getting busted for steroids at 175, Jones put on a WHOPPING 10lb of lean muscle and challenged the weakest beltholder at heavyweight, John Ruiz. Having won a heavyweight title, Jones refused to defend it or unify against Chris Byrd, Corrie Sanders, Lamon Brewster, or lineal heavyweight champ Lennox Lewis, instead choosing to drain himself back down to 175 and face Antonio Tarver, winning a robbery decision. Jones then rematched Taver in the first non-b!tch move of his career, getting comically KTFO and then repeating his trip to Where-the-f%ck-am-I in his next fight against Glen Johnson. After taking one more shot at Tarver and once again failing, Jones began the travelling circus that gave use such gems as 'Slapped Silly vs. Calzaghe,' 'KO1 vs Green,' and 'Oh My God, Is He Dead? vs. Lebedev.'

[B]Highlights:[/B]

Denis Lebedev Attempts To Murder Roy Jones:
[yt]DYf3IGQpF_M[/yt]

Lou del Valle Makes Roy Jones Look Like Bambi on Ice Skates:
[yt]jp7h37fMneg[/yt]

Antonio Tarver, Glencoffe Johnson, and Daniel Green Display Various Methods Which May Be Used To Separate Roy Jones From Consciousness:
[yt]A1WHHfzR-ZA[/yt]

RJJ Expresses His Admiration For The Skills Of RJJ And Has No Idea Bob Fitzsimmons Existed:
[yt]zGWRk-HHLhk[/yt]

Links:

Jose Sulaiman Explains How Sad He Is That He Owes Rocchigiani Money: http://www.***********.com/wbc-asks-rocchigiani-payment-grace--10203

A Young Ben Thompson Can Barely Conceal His Desire To Give RJJ Oral Pleasure: http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/fw82099.htm

Ducks:
Hopkins
Nunn
Rocchigianni
Michalczewski

Significant Wins:
James Toney
Bernard Hopkins

Opponent breakdowns to follow...
Click to expand...

All this from a Calzaghe fan yet he wants to laugh at Jones career

KillSomething · Jan 9, 2015

Loudon said: ↑

If you'd have changed the thread title, and asked genuine question, and made genuine points, then the thread would have been a success.

But this is clearly a troll thread, and it may be banned.

So if I were you, I'd do some editing.

Because not many people are going to comment on it.

You know I'm one of Roy's biggest fans, but even I can't take this bait.

Click to expand...

It's not trolling at all.

It's The People's History of the Light Heavyweight Division, where we teach you the stuff you weren't old enough to hear from HBO :good

In other news, Christopher Columbus didn't discover America and wasn't a particularly nice man :shock:

Imperial1 said: ↑

All this from a Calzaghe fan yet he wants to laugh at Jones career
Click to expand...

You clearly didn't catch my breakdown of Calzaghe's opponents and title reign. The truth is applied rigorously and even-handedly without regard for what is politically correct. I speak the realness, and if there was something incorrect about what's been said I'm sure someone will point it out :good

Imperial1 · Jan 9, 2015

KillSomething said: ↑

It's not trolling at all.

It's The People's History of the Light Heavyweight Division, where we teach you the stuff you weren't old enough to hear from HBO :good

In other news, Christopher Columbus didn't discover America and wasn't a particularly nice man :shock:

You clearly didn't catch my breakdown of Calzaghe's opponents and title reign. The truth is applied rigorously and even-handedly without regard for what is politically correct. I speak the realness, and if there was something incorrect about what's been said I'm sure someone will point it out :good
Click to expand...

You have tried to make Joe more accomplished in other threads I see right through this ..You also try to make DM a saint here ..Saying Jones stole those titles ,bias much ?

Not once did you mention DM's refusal to come to the states when he was offered to fight on a Jones undercard ,you also didn't mention why DM was stripped and how after he won his belt he went on a bum of the month tour ..Yeah your facts are skewed ! Yet you want to come here and trash a fighter like Jones ? I could easily point out all your ****, and to say he ducked people like Hopkins and Rochi yeah you speak real ness Gtfo

You speak nonsense !

THE BLADE 2 · Jan 9, 2015

ESB has defintely becoming a troll forum in the past few years.

Imperial1 · Jan 9, 2015

THE BLADE 2 said: ↑

ESB has defintely becoming a troll forum in the past few years.
Click to expand...

It has :-(

Bustajay · Jan 9, 2015

MannySteward said: ↑

TS makes some very valid points. I love Jones but such things cannot be denied.
Click to expand...

I agree
Roy was always fun to watch in the ring but some of the facts pointed out can't be disputed :verysad

:smoke

STB · Jan 9, 2015

THE BLADE 2 said: ↑

ESB has defintely becoming a troll forum in the past few years.
Click to expand...

Unfortunately its true

Rico Spadafora · Jan 9, 2015

gmurphy said: ↑

While the general tone of the opening post is one of trolling, he does make lots of legitimate points
Click to expand...

Facts can't be trolling. And Mayweather has not manipulated the system anywhere close to how Jones did. You don't see Mayweather defending against no hopers in Mandatory fights while avoiding other fighters. He hasn't fought Pacquiao which he still can. Jones didn't fight like 6 guys who he could have but was reluctant and scared. Most likely because he was afraid to put that Chin on display for fear of getting savagely KOed (which ended up happening anyway multiple times)

KillSomething · Jan 9, 2015

Imperial1 said: ↑

You have tried to make Joe more accomplished in other threads I see right through this ..You also try to make DM a saint here ..Saying Jones stole those titles ,bias much ?

Not once did you mention DM's refusal to come to the states when he was offered to fight on a Jones undercard ,you also didn't mention why DM was stripped and how after he won his belt he went on a bum of the month tour ..Yeah your facts are skewed ! Yet you want to come here and trash a fighter like Jones ? I could easily point out all your ****, and to say he ducked people like Hopkins and Rochi yeah you speak real ness Gtfo

You speak nonsense !
Click to expand...

I clearly laid out the reasons why DM was stripped, but I know most RJJ fans are not educated beyond the 8th grade level so once again:

WBO: Owned by Michalczewski for a long, long time, defended against a lot of nobodies and future/former Jones opponents.
WBA: Stripped DM for also holding the WBO title.
IBF: Stripped DM for not fighting Guthrie within 30 Days of winning the title.
WBC: Stripped Jones for not fighting his #1 Challenger and saying he was going to fight Buster Douglas at heavyweight.
Lineal: Passed from Hill to DM and never fought for by RJJ.

Rocchigiani: Beat Nunn for the vacant title and was then illegally stripped. Had a scheduled fight with Jones which was cancelled by RJJ's promoter. Lost to DM, meaning that if not for both men being illegally/unreasonably stripped of the WBA/IBF/WBC titles, DM would have held all 4 major titles along with the lineage.

DM: The lineal champ and rightful undisputed holder of all 4 titles is going to come to the states for LESS money than he's already making to fight on the UNDERCARD of the man who was ducking him? atsch GTFO with that nonsense. There were MANY offers for fights, he even offered and accepted fights in the US, Jones always found a way to price himself out or change the terms at the last minute.

PS
You never once heard me suggest DM would beat RJJ. But the fact that Mayweather is universally expected to beat Pacquiao doesn't excuse the duck today, and it didn't then either.

Log in or Sign up

Criticizing Jones' resume

Alien Chin Scholar Full Member

general zod World Champion Full Member

Peppermint Boxing Junkie Full Member

c-man shooter Active Member Full Member

DanishPride Well-Known Member Full Member

lewis gassed The Bronze Dosser Full Member

Imperial1 VIP Member Full Member

KillSomething Boxing Junkie Full Member

Imperial1 VIP Member Full Member

THE BLADE 2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

Imperial1 VIP Member Full Member

Bustajay Feel the Steel/Balls Deep Full Member

STB #noexcuses Full Member

Rico Spadafora Master of Chins Full Member

KillSomething Boxing Junkie Full Member

Log in or Sign up

Forums

Criticizing Jones' resume

Alien Chin Scholar Full Member

general zod World Champion Full Member

Peppermint Boxing Junkie Full Member

c-man shooter Active Member Full Member

DanishPride Well-Known Member Full Member

lewis gassed The Bronze Dosser Full Member

Imperial1 VIP Member Full Member

KillSomething Boxing Junkie Full Member

Imperial1 VIP Member Full Member

THE BLADE 2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

Imperial1 VIP Member Full Member

Bustajay Feel the Steel/Balls Deep Full Member

STB #noexcuses Full Member

Rico Spadafora Master of Chins Full Member

KillSomething Boxing Junkie Full Member