Criticizing Jones' resume

This was never a question of resume. DM unifed the division before Jones did and was THE champion. All Jones did was pick up the trinket belts that were stripped from DM. I have NEVER supported DM. Ever.

This isn't about Heavyweight either but Jones did not make history. He took the easy way out and fought Ruiz.

 

Nah forget the belts for a sec don't use thats as a crutch ! Who called out who answer that !

You don't support him but you defend him to death !

He took Ruiz because Holyfield flat out turned him down ..But again he was a former middleweight so let me guess he ducked Lennox right Again you don't know **** about boxing !

 

Go fight the battle against the Klit haters... You are clueless when it comes to Jones Jr.

 

KillSomething,

What do think of post 346?

Now can you see how biased that guy was?

Six of those guys from his list clearly weren't deserving.

 

Serge,

Great info mate.

Thanks for posting that.

I've never heard about that before.

It's probably for the best that the bout didn't happen.

So was I. I was only 13, but I was outraged at their draw. I was screaming at the TV. I was convinced Benn had won it.

It would have burnt anyone out.

But it makes you appreciate what the fighters of the past had to endure. They had to be so fit, both physically and mentally.

Something always stuck in my mind when I was younger. I watched a documentary on Ray Robinson, and it obviously featured his great fights with LaMotta. After one of their fights, they said they had a rematch three weeks later. I couldn't comprehend it. Three weeks? Unbelievable.

He's admitted that.

:rofl

I'd love you to elaborate on this mate.

I respect your opinion regarding anything.

I'm going to have to take a closer look at him when I have the time.

I'll see if his fight with Rocky is on YouTube.

That's just sad.

I know he runs his own gym nowadays.

He was a lucky boy.

Yes. The WBC got everything they deserved.

Thanks a lot for posting that.

It was just a sorry state of affairs from whichever angle you look from.

Hopefully nothing like that will ever happen again.


:good

 

Wow can't wrap my head around all this jazz...ole Roy still puttin' on clinics & rap sessions to this day

 

KillSomething

This is getting tiresome even for me.

Why won't you accept that things in life aren't always so simple?

Roy missed all the great match ups at MW. We've covered this. His father kept title shots secret from him. He pretended to Fred Levin, that after careful consideration, Roy had said that he wasn't interested. Which was of course nonsense.

The source for that is - Beyond The Glory, that is available on YouTube.

Julian Jackson is on record as saying big Roy wouldn't let him fight him.

By the time that Roy had broken free from his father and fought Hopkins, he'd already missed great fights against Gerald, Jackson, Johnson, McCallum, Toney and Nunn etc.

Now you say that Roy should have fought Benn after Gerald.

READ CAREFULLY.

Roy sent his advisers to watch Benn fight Malinga. But he lost to Malinga, so it never came off.

I agree.

But I've told you that neither guy would travel.

Again, a fight with Gerald wasn't really viable at MW.

Gerald only had one official fight at SMW, which was against Benn.

If Roy was scared of Benn, why did he offer him seven figures and send his advisers to the Malinga fight?

Dariusz did NOT want to go to the U.S.

Open your eyes.

Go and look at his resume.

For your information, Don King and Murad Muhammad put some numbers forward for Lewis to consider, but nothing was discussed in detail, because at the time, Lewis didn't know if he was going to fight again.

You can have numerous links.

Regarding Collins, if Roy couldn't obtain the WBA and WBC belts, why would he have been bothered about the WBO?

The prospect of fighting at LHW was more appealing.

Seriously, I might as well just repeatedly smash my head into a wall. atsch

Micheal Nunn wouldn't have brought any serious money in. He would only have brought in $1.8m.

Would you have given Roy credit for beating a 35 year old Michael Nunn? I don't think so.

Eubank? Dear Lord! How many more times? How was a Eubank fight viable?

Liles? How many f*cking times do we need to discuss this?

He TURNED DOWN his biggest payday, and his manager, who'd given him a home and gotten the best out of him, called him foolish and then left him.

So how can you fight a guy that doesn't want to fight??

Again, Hopkins turned down $6m to fight Roy.

Sanders brought in a $10m guarantee, which was less than what he'd gotten for the Ruiz fight.

Hey Einstein, THREE of those guys wouldn't fight him.

You've got to stop with this nonsense.

Joe Calzaghe could not unify his division in 2003.

Did he move up?

No!

He remained at SMW fighting subpar opposition, hoping that he'd get another chance in the future.

Roy could also have done that at SMW. He could have hung on to the IBF, tried to have fought Malinga again for the WBC, and then waited for the WBA.

Now, if that had happened, and Roy had EVENTUALLY became the man at SMW, (like how Joe did) would you have given him credit?

No!

Everyone reading this thread knows that you wouldn't have.

Seriously, you're such an idiot!

Take Benn and Liles out of the picture at SMW.

Roy's options were to remain at SMW, which was then a weak division, or go up to fight at LHW, which was stronger.

He went up to the stronger division, but yet you're criticising him for doing so.

Why?

As for Hopkins, he too unified a weak division.

Why was he able to do that?

Because Roy LEFT his IBF belt behind, to pursue Toney.

If Roy had stayed at MW, Bernard's MW record would NEVER have existed.

It was due to CIRCUMSTANCES!

What Roy did, eclipsed what Hopkins and Calzaghe did.

Unifying LHW, then beating Ruiz at HW, before then burning muscle to reclaim the LHW belts against Tarver, is a far bigger achievement than beating Lacy and Kessler, and holding a record number of MW defences.

This is like trying to debate with Bailey.

Statistics DO NOT ALLOW FOR CIRCUMSTANCES!

 

Are you saying it is better to sit in one division racking up a bunch of defenses fighting moslty cans while missing the only truly great fighter, than it is for that great fighter to jump divisions, beating world champions?

 

How many times are you going to say this?

If it wasn't history, name as many fighters that won belts at MW-SMW-LHW-and HW as you can...

Ill be waiting.

 

He didn't navigate his career to avoid tough opposition.

That is a common misconception.

Also, an earlier fight with Joe Calzaghe was never viable. They were in different divisions, and Joe was relatively unknown. Hardly anyone out of Europe knew just how great Joe was. Roy would probably have got criticised at the time, for taking a fight like that.

 

Well for one using your own words 'belts'. 'belts' don't mean anything as we have already demonstrated Jones was nothing but a trinket beltholder in every division he fought in. Winning vacant belts or belts stripped from someone else don't mean anything. This is why it is so hilarious you don't even understand how your hero got these things you just automatically say he was THE champion. That isn't how it works.

What Roy did at Heavyweight would have been the equivalent of Mike Spinks going up and fighting Trevor Berbick for the WBC belt instead of THE champion who was Larry Holmes. Spinks made history. Roy Jones didn't. People that understand the history of boxing know this.

 

good lord how known were those police officers, sanitation workers and part time bartenders that Jones was fighting at the time? :huh

Guess Jones shouldn't have fought them since they were not known. Right? I mean you just used that as an excuse so it goes both ways correct?

 

No I am saying if you are going to navigate divisions fight THE champion not just try and collect meaningless belts. Understand?

 

Why would I need to defend the Klitschko's? :huh

Both travel to fight and were willing to fight THE champion. Vitali lost in his chance but at least he tried. That is more than Jones ever did. :roflatsch

 

Jones Jr's resume is miles ahead of Vitali's, who lost to the only great fighter he has faced.