Criticizing Jones' resume

general Zod,


Part 2.

You can watch all of the 24/7's, he was in great shape and he genuinely thought he had a shot at winning. Plus his pride was at stake. You're trying to say that he had no choice but to fight Joe, which is complete nonsense. There were much easier fights out there than taking on a fit, volume punching southpaw at almost 40. Yet according to you, he simply had to take the fight, purely for financial reasons.

Rubbish.

Again, you won't give him credit for anything.

How many millions in debt? Give me the figures.

Any logical thinking person would say so.

He was scared of Nunn at 28, yet went up to HW at 34?

Of course the fights bombed. They were just tune ups against two unknown guys, to get him some confidence back. But the point is, he could have fought those level guys twice per year for the last ten years to make a living. He didn't have to call Joe out.

Damn right you should have given him credit.

You keep saying he took the path of least resistance.

Joe was an elite southpaw.

Roy was almost 40, and was 3-3 in his last 6 fights. He hadn't had a top level win for 5 years. So he deserves a lot of credit for taking the fight.

They backed him during that interview in 1996, and they also backed him at other periods of his career.

Again, we've also seen evidence where he did try to make certain fights. HBO both criticised him, and backed him all throughout his career. He fought for them over 25 times, so it wasn't all bad.

So now the Brannon talk wasn't legit? Yeah right, when Merchant and Borges had trashed him in the past?

It was YOU who originally posted the O'Halloran link, to prove that Roy tried to fight him.

O'Halloran got the best out of him, moved him into his home, and was convinced that Frankie would have knocked him out. He says that Frankie had a great fight lined up, but blew it by asking for more. He called him foolish, then left him. So I'll take his words over Freddie's opinion.

Look what else Freddie said.

He said Roy never tried to unify at SMW.

Yet we've seen links containing quotes from Greg Fritz, Roy and Stanley Levin, regarding a Benn fight.

We've also again got the the interview prior to the Brannon fight, where HBO stated that Frankie had never made seven figures, and where they backed Roy when he'd said he'd offered him the fight.

Really? Roy moved up to LHW in 1996, and Frankie was still at SMW in 1999.

 

I seem biased?

Ha!

And you and zod aren't?

And from all of that text that I've written, that's the only thing that grabbed your attention?

No, I don't know what Roy was thinking. But I'm an intelligent, logical thinking person.

A guy who was afraid to fight a faded Nunn, would not have fought Toney, Hopkins, Ruiz, Tarver and Calzaghe etc, and also tried to fight Liles and Holyfield etc.

With regards to me not allowing for circumstances, :rofl

I don't know how you've got the nerve to write that, considering how you debate.

 

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What's that got to do with anything?

I said that Toney got huge props for beating Jirov.

I mentioned that, because Roy hardly seems to get any for beating Ruiz.


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you have to accept that jones seemed more willing to fight them more etsablished fighters after he took a loss or am i wrong?

 

Johnson, Ajamu, Hanshaw, shot Trinidad, shot Lacy, Danny Green???

Joe Calzaghe is the only great established fighter he fought since being knocked out. He did rematch Tarver after being knocked out, but he also holds a win over him too, so I don't get you point at all.


Edit: Forgot about the Hopkins rematch, but I don't think Roy was ever unwilling to fight Hopkins.

 

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yeah the opposotion isnt as good as i remebered but you still have tarver calzaghe trinidad hopkins johnson

some of those guys were big and more dificult to deal with and wernt done in the past like hopkins but after losing jones was more willing to get them done.

The point is in relation to a point loudan i think made about if roy fought a big name like calzeghe why would he not fight x. his mentatility changed a bit after the loss and was more willing to get the fights made.

 

Check out the links I've posted, and decide for yourself.

Efforts were made to fight Dariusz M, Frankie Liles, Evander Holyfield, and a Hopkins rematch, before he lost. (unless you're going to count the Griffin loss)

 

Again, go and read the links, then let me know what you think.

The point I was making, was that if Roy feared guys like Collins and Nunn, why did he then fight Toney, Hopkins, Ruiz, Tarver and Calzaghe etc?

If he feared Nunn and Collins, why did he try and fight Evander and Liles?

Those are the questions that I'm asking, to the guys who think he was scared of fighting Nunn, Collins and Roch etc.

I don't understand why a guy who feared Collins at 27, would then move up to HW at 34.

What do you think?

IMHO, it defies all logic.

 

None of this has ever been discussed before on ESB.

 

Lets all remeniss over a guy that was nothing short of a spectacular entertainer and will go down as one of the greatest ever in the sport.

 

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He didn't though did he. And don't give me some ****e story about them having dinner and Roy wanting to fight Evander.

His whole HW smash and grab was just typical of his career. Face the worst belt holder, pick up a paper trinket and then get out of there.

Fact is Roy loved the "it's my mandatory" excuse when fighting some utter ****ing stiffs... yet when Nunn got made his mandatory he ducked him.

Loudon, was it just coincidence that Roy never fought the best guys in each division he fought in? Think about that for a second.

 

Alien,

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id...&sa=X&ei=WvvGVJ_UNcXwUoicg_gG&ved=0CCIQ6AEwAQ

http://youtu.be/4TPjvtASn0c

http://ringsidereport.com/?p=2112

atsch

Nunn was better than the average mandatory, so he wanted more money.

It's illogical that a guy who feared Nunn, would fight Toney, Hopkins, Ruiz, Tarver and Calzaghe etc.

Big fights are hard to make.

Rival promoters, networks, travelling, future options, PPV percentages etc.


How did he not face the best guy at SMW?


He didn't face the best guys at MW, because his father stifled his early career.


He didn't fight Dariusz at LHW, because neither guy would travel. But efforts were made by HBO, to make the fight in the U.S. I'm sure you've seen the links?


I've given you three links, and here's another one.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/boxing/stories/2002-07-10-jones-hopkins.htm


That's four.

Are you going to argue against all of those?


List all of the guys that Roy missed.

Then ask yourself these two questions:

1. Were the guys who he missed, better than the best guys who he actually fought?

2. Would they have brought bigger challenges, than what Roy's best opposition brought?


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