Current Mayweather vs prime RJJ at 160???

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  1. iceman71

    iceman71 WBC SILVER Champion Full Member

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    lets see...mayweather has only a handful of fights at welterweight...1 fight a junior middle and that was agaisnt ocscar who was barley a 154 pounder with 5 or 6 fights himself at that weight...i think that answers your question
     
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  2. retriever

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    RJJ by K.O. with one arm tied up at the back.
     
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  3. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    The point of my parralel was to match the current Mayweather with a fighter that held every single physical advantage over him two weight divisions higher than he is now, and see how the forum thought the fight would play out.
    .....as you can see, physically everyone agrees the fight is a phyical mismatch, not a skill mismatch, but a physical mismatch.
    Its the same way I feel about Marquez' attempt at Mayweather at 147 lbs, and I said this before the fight even took place, "Marquez just does'nt hold a single physical advantage, plus he's the older smaller figher."


    Now I say to to every diehard Mayweather fan who thinks Mayweather beat Marquez because he outclassed him with skill........Would RJJ defeat Mayweather because he would be too skilled, or because he would just take advantage of the fact he would hold every physical advantage over Mayweather?????

    The point here is the physical advantage aspect. If Mayweather would hold some physical advantages over a prime RJJ at 160 lbs, I'm certain he'd give Jones a run for his money.........but because the physical advantages go all to Jones, Mayweather has very little chance to even be competitive.

    As you can see by the poll, no one see's Mayweather even competitive in this matchup with Jones.
     
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  4. Colpolite

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    If it's pound for pound and weight don't matter, then Floyd by UD! Floyd better boxing skills and defense than glass jawed RJ.
     
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  5. MichiganWarrior

    MichiganWarrior Still Slick! Still Black! Full Member

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    A 130lb Mayweather vs a 130lb JMM ends in Mayweather victory by KO.




    Your logic is flawed btw. Marquez started his career at 126. Mayweather at 130.


    To compare Mayweather who started off his career at 130 to ROy at 160 is illogical.
     
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  6. ripcity

    ripcity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Jones
     
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  7. bballchump11

    bballchump11 2011 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    a better comparison could have been Mayweather vs a MW Sugar Ray Robinson, but the difference in skill is much bigger
     
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  8. Goro

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    Mayweather UD
     
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  9. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    My logic stands on solid ground.

    Its yet to be seen but Marquez very likely has maxed out at 135 lbs, and he went up two weight divisions to face a "solid' Welterweight.
    The fact that Mayweather refused to even attempt to make the catchweight limit goes to show he was going to struggle to get under the Welter limit.

    This is the same ****......An older but still capable current version of Mayweather, a current solid Welter, one that would refuse to fight at any weight below, against a quicker, faster, stronger fighter two weight divsions above him.

    Hell, we can even forget about a Prime RJJ, just give me a solid Middleweight who's quicker, faster, and stronger than Mayweather.
    I'll tell you something with certaintly right now, even though Mayweather might posses alot more skill than this quicker, faster, stronger middlewight,
    Mayweather would not fight him.:deal
     
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  10. Lampley

    Lampley Boxing Junkie banned

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    The comparison doesn't hold water, although I agree with you in some respects. Jones and Mayweather began their careers at far different weights, and for that matter Jones PfP clearly is more talented than Floyd. People conflate "skilled" with "technical," and the bottom line is that Jones beat the 20-something version of Hopkins — an extremely skilled fighter, obviously — via skill.

    Skill can be acquired but also can be natural. Jones wasn't just an athlete, but he did rely on his athletic tools to dominate in a way that Hopkins, Toney, Mayweather and, yes, Marquez, never did.

    Floyd's relative youth and huge size advantage made the Marquez fight a mismatch, no question. But he'd also beat Marquez at a division (130-135) where they both were comfortable.

    Mayweather never could beat Jones at any weight Roy was comfortable.
     
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  11. LSomefun

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    Have u considered that those who like Mayweather were RJJ fans first?
     
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  12. Chempasillo

    Chempasillo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    if castillo could pressure a prime mayweather jr. what would a prime jones jr. had done too him?:lol:
     
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  13. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    I just posted this to Blanco in another thread......


    Again, I'm not arguing Marquez beats Mayweather at 130 lbs, I'm just saying its a more competitive matchup because Marquez handles that weight better.
    .....its certainly not the physical mismatch it is at 147 lbs.
     
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  14. shelterr

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    This explains my feelings on the subject perfectly. Interesting thread considering it looked like a troll thread to begin with...
     
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  15. Lampley

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    I definitely agree that it's a better fight at a lower class and both in prime, but you shouldn't need to resort to a Jones/Mayweather vs. Mayweather/Marquez thing to make the point.

    Marquez began at 126, right, and Floyd won a title at 130. There's no question that Mayweather is the naturally bigger guy and that always would impact them head to head, but even the Hearns things is too different.

    Hearns began at 147, another pretty big leap.

    Let's take Mayweather vs. Duran, because I think that one is more similar.

    Duran and Mayweather may have been a competitive fight at the same size, but Duran was a clearly bigger man despite the similar starting weights. So, I think you do have to account for that just as you would for Mayweather and Marquez.

    There's no way Marquez ever could fill out to what Floyd has become, but that's part of "talent" too, I think. But I think we agree the disparity in size was greater than the disparity in skills, let's put it that way.
     
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