No it isn't. Silva was a better fighter in 06-07 than he is in 2010. If you actually watch his fights, you will see this. Griffin was the worst lhw champ I can remember, Rashad Evans destroyed him. Silva looked brilliant against Griffin, but I don't rate that win anywhere near as highly as if Silva had beaten a genuinely top-class lhw, which in my opinion Forrest is not. Beating Forrest Griffin is not the same as winning a title in 2 divisions, like Penn and Couture did. My boy??? I'm not even a GSP fan at all. Your petty fanboy reaction to my rating of GSP really does expose your teenage mindset. Dire stuff mate, really. And I have always thought Silva would beat GSP... primarily because he is a middle and GSP is a welter, so it's not a level playing field. Then again, if Sonnen could utterly dominate Silva using wrestling, could GSP do the same?? GSP has much better sub defence than Sonnen... He didn't really dominate in every fight though. He clearly lost rounds to Henderson and Lutter as I recall, shipping some punishment in the process. That's not the same level of dominance as GSP has shown vs the likes of Penn and Alves. What is exactly the type of fighter that would cause problems for the current version of GSP??? We don't know, because NO-ONE is causing him any trouble just now, and hasn't been for quite some time! Yes, but determination doesn't make you the p4p king. Dominant wins and impressive performances do. Even if Silva wins the rematch, his performances over the last couple of years are not as good as GSP's have been. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen... BJ Penn, even at welterweight, is a far better and tougher opponent than the vast majority of Silva's recent comp, ie: Griffin, Leites, Cote, Irvin. Nah, "Silva Sucker", less with you is much, much less. :smoke
Explain to me how GSP "played it safe" in the second Serra fight?! I think it is you who is guilty of a lack of knowledge. That was a thoroughly dominant and brilliant performance which ended in a stoppage. You silly Silva Sucker.
NO-ONE has dismissed Silva though. NO-ONE. You continually argue against a point of view which NO-ONE is expressing. :nut I'm not going to labour the point, but talking about wins Silva had years and years ago in other organizations simply is NOT relevant to the current p4p rankings. They are extremely relevant when discussing Silva's career greatness and his all-time p4p standing, but they are not relevant to the here-and-now nature of the p4p rankings. What is relevant (for the 5,000th time) is this and this alone: - who has been facing the toughest comp available of late - who has been beating the toughest comp available of late - who has been beating the toughest comp available most dominantly/impressively of late And the overall frontrunner over these three interlinked categories is GSP. Over the last couple of years, he has been the most dominant/impressive in dispatching the best comp his division has to offer. In 06-08, Silva was doing this. From 08-10, he is not doing so to the same extent IMO, at least not to the same extent as GSP has.
Well thanks for clearing that up, I am now enlightend. I now see how fighting the likes of Rich Franklin, Dan Henderson, Nate Marquand Forrest Griffin and Vitor Belfort (I know injuries prevented this fight thus far) for Anderson and GSP fighting Matt Huges x 3, Karo Parisyan, BJ Penn, Jason Miller, Frank Trigg, Sean Sherk, Josh Koscheck, Jon Fitch, Thiago Alves shows what cowards they both are. Why havent they fought more asians....... I was blind but now I can see, thanks Morono :good
every once in while your amusing I need not explain anything to you, im sure you have eyes to see it for yourself.
your boring, stop writing please. as if I didnt get your argument the first time. I will explain my position again in simple terms (which you seem to think is meant to change your mind, it is not) silva was dominant in all his ufc wins going back to chris leben (with the obvious exception of sonnen which he won of course.) this placed him behind #1 p4p fedor in my rankings. when fedor lost anderson became the new #1 p4p. as you know anderson has very good wins in the ufc, he surpassed gsp when gsp was tko'd by serra. gsp while wining impressively, never was able to surpass silva because silva was beating top 10 contenders for his title and when he wasnt moved up to lhw to completely destroy the fighters their (which does count towards p4p rankings). Anderson Silva .....................GSP (ufc) Chael Sonnen.......................Dan Hardy Demian Maia.........................Thiago Alves Forrest Griffin...(lhw fight).......B.J. Penn Thales Leites........................Jon Fitch Patrick Cote.........................Matt Serra (unifies title) James Irvin...(lhw fight)..........Matt Hughes (wins interim title) Dan Henderson ..3/1/08..........Josh Koscheck Rich Franklin ..10/20/07.......... This content is protected (lost title) Nate Marquardt..7/7/07...........Matt Hughes (won title) travis Lutter........................ B.J. Penn Rich Franklin (wins title)..........Sean Sherk Chris Leben...........................Frank Trigg Tony Fryklund.......................Jason Miller This content is protected ..1/20/06...........*Dave Strasser Curtis Stout.......................... This content is protected 10/22/04 Jorge Rivera..........................Jay Heiron This content is protected ...12/31/04............Karo Parisyan *fought in the TKO organization, which bought out the UCC which gsp was formally champ of. Anderson was fighting top comp all along, so was gsp. gsp's loss sets him behind anderson. I respect gsp I am not bais towards him as you say. lets move on machida fan, this can be debated for 100 pages it is a insult to the thread considering it is just the two of us arguing back in forth for three pages now. their are plenty more arguments to be had. How about we move on.(considering their is no right answer) What do you say machida? This content is protected seems he is happy with it.
Style match ups can play havock, this is MMA and fighting against fighters of different strengths and champions from different parts of the world should be encouraged. There are many fighters in the UFC that are merely adequate in skills and experience, BUT are hyped up by the Zuffa machine. You have to distinguish actual skills versus the popularity of the fighter. Look at boxing for example, Americans would have continued dominating boxing if they blocked the rest of the world and other promotions outside America from taking part (like what the UFC is doing now). BUT because boxing has now opened up, you now see Asians, Eastern Europeans and South Americans being very competitive. Again Stoop1do, why is it that Anderson has an abysmal record against Japanese fighter?
You and the rest of the ufc fan party refute this exact logic when someone tries to point out Fedor's recent record and why he 'hasnt fought anyone lately'. Because all these are UFC fighters they are somehow immune to any criticism whatsoever. People like you who start to disrespect Monaro's posts by changing his name is usually a tendency commonly portrayed by homosexuals. Dont fuk with an Aussie icon:yep
Im an adult, I know the difference between hype & reality. Everyfight is hyped to a certain extent and every promotion is guilty of it. Your just singling out the UFC for some reason, maybe to justify your arguement cause you have got nothing left But are you really saying Anderson & GSP are being fed cans fort the UFC hype machine? Well I'll agree with you to a certain extent about AS' recent competition. With regards to AS not fighting an asain fighter in the UFC, I think this may have something to do with it [url]http://www.mmacrazed.com/ufc-104-yushin-okami-vs-chael-sonnen/[/url] I happen to agree with your point about the best fighting the best, worldwide.
Ive not said Fedor hasnt fought ANYONE lately, merely stated that GSP has fought and DOMINATED better compitition thats why he's P4P #1 in my eyes. Which was met with the type 'Zuffa Zombie falling for the hype machine' type comments that's typical of Fedor fan boys who ironically think he's the second coming to the T-800, talk about falling for hype. Fedor's just a man like you and me, albeit an exceptionally talented one with a great record. GSP made a mistake against Serra and paid dearly for it, so did Fedor v Werdum. And it's ironic that Fedor fans such as yourself accuse someone of being unable to accept criticism when Ive taken all this flak for daring to criticise Fedor And Im sorry if it came across that I was criticising the high point of world culture that is Austrailia. What would the world be like without Dame Edna and Crocodile Dundee, I shudder to think of it
Yeah, fine. I was a little bored of this anyway. I do think your criteria is bogus though. You want to rate Anderson Silva 1st because you like him more, and you have invented reasons to justify it. But hey, that's your choice, good for you. As a peace offering, I have pasted below a poster of the superfight vs ATG light-heavyweight James Irvin which is one of the main reasons why you rank Silva 1st. :good:good:good This content is protected
Well that's certainly possible. Whomever cleans out the lightheavyweight division is going to become the new number one p4p. It's easily the most stacked division in MMA at this moment. I'm probably biased but if so I've come by it honestly because I used to hate Randy Couture - but I honestly believe Couture is still a force to be reckoned with at 205. Shogun has already mentioned Couture's name in the media. Couture still has the tools to beat anyone at 205. Yes, he's been knocked out in his previous fights - but he was fighting Brock Lesnar. Lesnar isn't fighting at light heavyweight any time soon. Everyone else needs to take notice.
I wouldn't pick Couture over a healthy Shogun, but it is not unfathomable. Couture is a good enough wrestler to take Shogun down. If Couture could keep Rua on the floor he would have a chance. Couture is a top 10 lightheavy, which is remarkable at his age in what might be mma's toughest division. I just don't think he is quick enough for the top guys. I would take Rua, Machida, Evans, Jackson, and Jones over Randy with little hesitation, and all by stoppage. Funny thing is I regard Rua as the best fighter of that bunch, but think Randy has a better shot at him than all those other names. I think Randy struggles to get Machida down, and will get caught and ko'd. I don't think Randy can take Evans down, gets caught and ko'd. Randy would get caught and ko'd by Jackson. I think Jones takes Randy down, and stops him gnp.
