Darcy versus SRR

There's a funny story that is told by dark horse Lenny Ditmar.
"I trained with Tony, in fact I made sure I wasn't too far away when we were partying. Tony attracted women like a magnet,,, & I wasn't too ashamed to get pally with his rejects"

 

Where's Klomps?

 

I have to say, this Bobby Sinn vs Klompton scrap, is one of the all time greats. Despite a few wild swings and misses, I have never seen anyone take it to Klompton so consistently and succesfully on a topic so close to the time of Harry Greb. This thread will go down as one of the all time greats, and with Bobby still coming back and looking for more, one does have to wonder whether Klompton has thrown in the towell - Or perhaps his seconds have thrown it in as disputes over the roughhouse below the belt tactics being used by Bobby? Klompton might be looking for the DQ win like Darcys management did!

Anyway, back to the original topic. I dont see what Sugar Ray Robinson brings to the table against Les Darcy. Ray is certainly one of the greatest welterweights ever. Maybe the Greatest (although it isnt as certain as is commonly accepted.) But, he was not the be all and end all as a middleweight champion. And, in fact, he was proven to have real troubles with Light heavyweights and certainly it has to be doubted, whether or not he could handle a heavyweight punch.

The argument with Darcy is obviously that he hadnt reached his frightening potentional, and like Ketchell, McCarthy etc, as a general rule, i tend to think these guys can often get overated because of this. But, even on what he did do, there is no doubt, that Darcy had the power to both take and give a heavyweight punch. Ray never proved he could to the same level and given the evidence and his natural size, it has to be doubted whether he could. Darcy is a very, very strong favourite in this one. Ray is to unproven against a fighter of his ability. Darcy by mid rounds KO.

 

Well, thank you kindly Mr.Boilermaker.

A little bit of fun, that's all. Yes, I'd like to pursue the too-and-fro with Klomps a lot further. Their's so much to 'talk' about.

Unforgiven's addition is f*&^king priceless. That is something important; not for this arguement/dicussion, but historically.

 

I'm not educated enough to speak about Darcy's career in Australia, but Sinn's talk about Darcy's stay in USA is full of mistakes. The facts are Darcy blew a lot of chances on his own will, not because of politics. He consistently and successfully declined or ignored one offer after another from top contenders during his stay there.

 

Who wouldn't have offered Darcy fights whilst in the USA??? Yes, they (offers) came in thick and fast. Darcy had his heart set on McCoy, thus to be recognised as 'undisputed' World M/W Champion. Following a defeat of McCoy, everything suggests that Darcy would have accepted all offers.

Get something straight. Darcy was working in hand with Rickard from the offset... not O'Sullivan, so any fight proposals by O'Sullivan are Null & Void. Now tell me which bouts, suggested by Rickard, were knocked back by Darcy.

 

Hiya Boiler.

I have to take you to task on a couple of things here. Which fights exactly proved that Darcy could take and give a heavyweight punch? Against which heavies did he prove this?

There is nothing in Robinson's career that would support the notion that he could or would be knocked stiff by Darcy. There is however the fact that Darcy was taken the distance (40 rounds total in 2 fights) against a clever boxer named Jimmy Clabby, who like Ray was a former lightweight cum welterweight cum middleweight. Clabby was an excellent fighter no doubt, but I've never heard anyone put him in Robinson's class.

If Clabby could hear the final bell after 40 total rounds with Darcy then surely SRR could last beyond the mid-rounds, especially seeing as Robby had a much harder punch to go along with the fluid boxing skills and iron chin.

 

I am amazed by the loyalty and suport that Darcy enjoys among Australian fight fans to this day.

In the same period Jack Dillon, Harry Greb and Mickey Walker have slipped into relative obscurity among American fight fans.

 

Sorry to stick my nose in SB..

SRR would have boxed Darcy's ears off. Pure and Simple. Completely different skill set, and completely diverse eras, asfar as boxing science.

 

Hey, no worries. It's what this place is all aboot. :good

 

He's an absolute icon here Janitor. Reverred by fans, historians and sportsminded people. Les Darcy & Phar Lap- both go hand in hand. Both unfulfilled. Bradman is probably the only one with a higher status.

Seeing his grave restored throughout this year will again bring his name to great attention. The entire saga of Darcy's life has become entrenched in Australian folk lore.

 

Good to see that you apreciate your old fighters.

 

Darcy was a precocious talent ,but I would pick the three you mentioned to beat him.

 

He would have had to face them sooner or later for sure.

Dillon might have been on the decline by the time they met.

Greb would have come into his prime around the same time as Darcy and would likley have done better as a series progressed.

Walker would have caught Darcy when he was opn the decline.

 

So you do accept now that he was dismissing any offers on his own, and it wasn't because of politicians banning him from fighting in this or that state? And O'Sullivan was his manager, at least formally, both according to American press and according to Darcy himself (I gave one quote, more can be found pretty easily).