Apart from Ruiz and Moorer, there is not a single win of note on Tua's resume. Losses to Ibeabuchi and Byrd. A draw with Rahman. He would be utterly outclassed.
Tua was sh**. He was the Deontay Wilder of the 90's, beats up cans, has beens and never weres, but unlike Wilder, Tua actually stepped up (and lost).
At the time Foreman annihilated Frazier there was only one meaningful win on his resume, and even that one was such because of the fame of George Chuvalo's chin, not because he was a serious opponent.
Gregorio Peralta for the NABF Title 1971 . Peralta had been no 10 at the end of 1969 Peralta 1970 .2 months previously Peralta was no 10 Both decent meaningful wins for a 17 and 19 fight youngster.imo.
He was thought of as an ATG puncher ,and the Ring had him on the cover asking the question was he the greatest puncher of all time?
How come he finished his major fights with his face lumped up like a gargoyle? Ali is on record as saying Frazier was easy to hit. He relied on all-out offence and heart,same as Henry Armstrong, and that will only take you so far. His prime was shorter because Ali punched the **** out of him in FOTC and put him in the hospital for 2 weeks, that is not a fighter who is hard to hit. Wass, if you are replying to me you're wasting your time because you're on my ignore list, have been for some time, and I can't see your posts.
Maybe just maybe it was because he was fighting the best Heavyweight of all time?? You do talk out of your arse sometimes.
I don't think that beating a blown up light heavyweight, who had built up his winnig record mostly over unknowns, and looking gassed and amateurish against that lhw, were meaningful wins.
I beg to differ that "blown up light heavyweight" had not fought at lhvy for 4 years and had recently drawn with Bonavena.He scaled 197 lbs for the first Foreman fight and 196 for the second,so a heavyweight. Foreman was only the 3rd man to stop Peralta in his 119 fights Foreman was having his 16th fight compared to Peralta's 96 ,and Peralta was no 10 . Any time you beat a top ten contender,I think that is meaningful.
Being the latter can give you a very long ride. I doubt there are many who would not include him in their ATG top ten. perhaps only you?
Unless the Boxing Register is wrong, Peralta wasn't ranked in top 10 for the 1st fight. Peralta's record was built up mostly on local opposition who never proved to be anything much. The numbers look impressive, but it's not like it's anything similar to old-timers from the first quarter of 20th century, who participated in a similar number of fights, but who faced actually good opponents a lot more often. His record reminds me of Len Wickwar and Co. where they sometimes had a a total of half a thousand fights between them, but that didn't mean much. Remove the opponents who were nothing much and what is left? Mixed results or worse vs above average opponents in bouts which had taken place 6-10 years before he met Foreman. That's a very long time without beating anyone good. I don't even know how he got his ranking for the rematch with Foreman, for beating whom exactly?
Peralta was no 10 at the end of December 1969 , he fought Foreman in February 1970, thats a 2 month gap why split hairs? What you think or don' t think about him being rated is immaterial ,he was and the fact that he was when a green Foreman beat him is a noteworthy win for George,certainly a more significant win that that over Chuvalo. Peralta had drawn with Bonavena 6 months before Foreman beat him . Bonavena beat Chuvalo. Even at 38 ,in his last fight he was good enough to draw with Lyle My mentioning Peralta's 96 fights was to demonstrate his experience compared to the 15 fight Foreman . I really can't see any argument here?:huh
The point is being ranked doesn't necessarily mean you are a noteworthy opponent. And as I said, the number of fights means ****, when 95% of them were against mediocre opponents or worse, and the remaining 5% were mixed results much-much earlier. Bonavena was another mediocre boxer, just as Chuvalo, but the significance in Chuvalo's case was that Foreman stopped him, not that the Canadian was a good opponent per se.