To avoid further argument... Fighters who had fast hands usually showed that handspeed even past their prime. Frazier showed no handspeed or footwork in the 1st Foreman fight. None whatsoever. Foreman was unquestionably slower than Tua both in handspeed and footwork, considerably slower.
I say Frazier had faster hands than Tua ,you disagree fine . I'm not going to slit my wrists over it.
Which of the two is faster (slightly) is debatable.You may lean toward Frazier as being faster, fine with me, but there was no significant difference. That was what I argued with.
If it continues to rain tommorow I'll take another look,until then I stand by what I said ,if after re viewing footage I change my mind, I'll be on here eating crow. I just watched Tua v Ike,Frazier was faster imo, but maybe not significantly.
Tua hits hard and was quite durable but Frazier at his best was better than ike ibeabuchi. Too much pace, variety and class.
Why does weight equal durability and power in your world? Your chin is as good as the people who test it. Who ever tested Tuas chin? no one except maybe the untested Ike Ibeabuchi. Fraziers chin was tested by none other than George Foreman. Had Foreman hit Tua, Tua wouldnt have got up at all. If Frazier hadnt fought Foreman, no on here would be questioning his chin. How can anyone pick Tua? It took him about 9 rounds to KO 'Fast' Fres Oquendo for crying out loud.
Why do you feel the need to use profanity to express your opinion Foxy? Just because people have different opinions does not mean that their viewpoints are any less valid than yours and as soon as you start referring to them in derogatory terms such as 'dickheads' and 'numpties' it just hi-lights ignorance and a lack of class on your part. You should show a bit more respect for others opinions even if you disagree with them and in turn you might actually be able to persuade more people to agree with your point of view.