:rofl:rofl He didn't make Ali miss. Anybody with a pair of eyes and common sense could see that. Frazier got his ass whooped 3 times.He was so messed up from punches to the head he was in the hospital for a month after the first fight. Just look at his face. Complete punching bag. Ali always said Frazier took too many punches in the head and was an easy target. A power puncher's dream. Tua kills him.
he mad ali miss many times. On his best day David Tua got out jabbed by Ike Ibeabuchi, have you ever heard of Ike Ibeabuchi? Do you know anyone that does? I'm not trying to be mean here, but every time Tua comes up against real competition, aside from Ruiz and Oleg Maskaev (who was not in the greatest of shape), gets outworked. Frazier, on the other hand took Ali to the limit beat him once (I'd argue he also won the Thrilla but it goes down as an Ali victory. he doesn't have the speed to out jab Joe and he doesn't have the head movement. At. All. To avoid Joe's shots, Tua also has alwlays lacked the body conditioning to sustain a Joe Frazier attack to the body where Joe Frazier went 51 rounds with Ali over the course of his career. This isn't a fight it's Joe Frazier by utter annihilation. Chuvalo's own words. now you cant try to put words in chuvalo's mouth. "Joe Frazier, believe it or not. He was very hard to hit and bobbing and weaving was natural to him. Hes recognized as a great fighter, but not many people compliment Joe on his defense. The uppercut was the only shot he was really susceptible to, as we seen against George Foreman. Joe was excellent at avoiding straight punches, which was the reason he gave Ali so much trouble in the first fight. He slipped the punches and closed the gap". You sir have just been exposed.
http://news.google.com/newspapers?n...bEqAAAAIBAJ&sjid=TGYEAAAAIBAJ&pg=3425,3682599 Yes I know who Ike Ibeabuchi is, great talent, great fighter would have been an ATG if he didn't get locked up. Your smug patronizing manner is strange and ironic coming from an individual like yourself who knows very little about boxing judging from your posts. Link I showed above is just one of many quotes where Ali says Frazier is easy to hit. F.uck quotes though, just watch any of his fights(I bet you haven't watched a single of his in its entirety) and it is painfully obvious that Frazier is easy to hit. Frazier was a punching bag. That is why he was shot at 30. Frazier had a shitty bob up and down movement that was easy to target and catch, Tua smokes him. Frazier only did well against guys who weren't power punchers because all the punches he took to the head wouldn't knock him out. A power puncher like Tua would get him out of there. The shithouse Bonavena dropped Frazier twice in round 2 of their fight. Tua would make quick work of him.
Foreman couldn't destroy in 30 seconds none of the tomato cans he fought during his first and second career. There's nothing whatsoever suggesting he could do that to Moorer, regardless whether Moorer trained or not.
joe frazier would of beat the living **** out of david tua. joe frazier was one of the best champions in the hw division in the best era of the division and david tua is nowhere the fighter muhummad ali was. if frazier hit tua with a hook like he hit ali tua would not get up and by the way not that size really matters in the ring but some insist size matters frazier was taller than tua frazier was 5 ft 11 215 lbs. tua was 5ft10 and hes way overweight for his height here tua and you got to be kidding me if you think david tua would of beat joe frazier and frazier was easy to hit you haven't seen frazier fight at his best i guess how could you even compare the too i got to laugh im sorry. that shithouse was only stopped once. and it was by ali. that shithouse beat chuvalo. that shithouse beat mildenberger. that shithouse beat leotis martin.that shithouse beat zora folley
Very hard to hit for slow ,crude, George Chuvalo NOT ALI!atsch "Was it your opinion that Frazier was easy to hit? "Muhammad Ali "Yes!" You have been held up to the light and found wanting yet again. Props to you. You take as much punishment on this forum as you hero Joe did.
That "shithouse", was also beaten by Folley and floored for an 8 count ,beaten by an old Patterson, drubbed by Ellis being floored twice, beaten by Paez, beaten and fllored 3 times by Ali ,yet he stayed on his feet in 2 fights with Frazier, and dropped him twice?:think
he was harder to hit than ali and he said the reason he gave ali trouble was because he made him miss. again mcvey harrassing other users in a thread that has ABSOLUTLEY NOTHING TO DO WITH HIM.
I don't think that it really matters if George Foreman from 1973 knocked out 2002 version of Moorer in 30 secs or at 2:00 - 2:30 of 1st round. I think Foreman KO's that Moorer either in 1st or 2nd round. Does that mean Tua was harder hitter that Foreman? Hell NO! Just an example. Tua needed 11 rds to stop Maskaev and went full 12 rds vs Ahunanya. Lance Whitaker destroyed Maskaev with just 2 right hands in 2nd rd, and stopped Ahunanya in 5. Does it mean Whitaker is harder hitter than Tua? According to you, he is.
Dont forget that Mcall kod Maskaev in one round and Tua took a lot longer. The only one good win on Tuas resume is the green John Ruiz Other than that....was it really impressive Koing a past it Moorer? (who never had a chin to begin with) I know, i know, Oquendo and Izon would have had Frazier shitting his pants atsch Thats the difference between genuine punchers like Tyson and Foreman, they both Ko'd a lot of guys who were never ko'd before. Tua never Ko'd anyone who was actually durable, and aside from Ruiz.....all the other guys had been kod before by 'lesser punchers' and much quicker too. Theres Tyson and Foreman, and then theres Tua, Briggs and Wilder. Tua, Briggs and Wilder made a career out of feasting mainly on bums, taxi drivers and toilet cleaners, thats why people are fooled when they see those first round ko's If i put a collection of Tyson/Foremans knockouts (over good opposition) on one side and Tuas, Briggs and Wilders on the other side, we would very quickly realise who the genuine punchers were. Ive gone a bit off track here, but the point im trying to make is, Tua is severely overrated
george foreman vs jose roman for example . anyway it has to do with styles, tua had a different more explosive attack, foreman was bigger and more heavy handed, it does not mean that tua did hit harder because he didn´t waiting for your excuse
So where was there bias in what I said originally? Why did you come up with an assertion that Foreman could do the same thing Tua had done to Moorer, when he never had done such a thing against any opponent? Now you are coming up with an assertion that Foreman could KO a world-class opponent in 2 to 2.5 minutes of the first round. Based on what? You equal 2002 Moorer to Jose Roman (who was not ranked in top 10, just in case you try to point out that he supposedly was a good fighter *because* he got a chance for a title fight vs Foreman)? What world class opponent did Foreman ever KO in the first round?