David Tua vs. Joe Louis , who wins and how ? ,public poll added.

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  1. frankenfrank

    frankenfrank Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Welcome to the janitor club.
     
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  4. Bummy Davis

    Bummy Davis Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Louis has too many guns for Tua and too fast of a combo puncher.....Louis by a stop
     
  5. frankenfrank

    frankenfrank Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    An era when the HW division was populated mostly by lightheavyweights.
    Lets say his time's elite level ducked him and he fought the best contenders that agreed to fight him. His time's elite were not better than them.

    No. I meant a 1996-2000 David Tua. Is it a very narrowly defined prime ?

    11 if you are truthful about Walcott #1. And the war actually preserved him and without it it would have been less than 11.


    Byrd never fought at MW at the age of 23. You are a liar because you are well aware that Byrd was actually 22 (lie #1) when he fought at 165lbs at the amateurs instead of the 160lbs professional MW limit (lie #2)

    Not in the same effectiveness and quantities .

    Not any less than Byrd or Ibeabuchi deserved their decision wins against him.
    You mean the same way Lennox Lewis did it ?

    Translated to truth it is : He hit slightly lighter than Byrd , was not any more versatile and was nowhere near as evasive .

    I don't do such.

    Carnerra was a glass jawed fraud who won the title against a light hitting smallish cruiserweight probably due to a fix of the fight.
    Sometimes faked numeral stats and outcomes are worth ignoring.

    Like which ? like Jack Dempsey's sparring partners ?
    Like losing 14 times , 5 by stoppage and winning his title and who knows how many more fights due to selling fights ?

    It would have at least saved him from losing by stoppage in the Schmelling fight . One of your smaller problems (but a big one nonetheless) is that you don't know the difference between a competitive loss which came due to criminal corruption and a legitimate brutal stoppage loss.
    You don't even know how to read records .
    For you a win is a win like every other win and the same for losses.

    I think your scholars can educate you better than I about the Walcott-Louis #1 fight.

    But Archie Moore did too.
    no

    It does matter both for your P4P value and for your ability to beat bigger men than those you do.

    I did not claim Louis' opponents were **** , only his bigger than himself and then plenty of the approximately same size and the smaller men , but not every one . Every one of the bigger , yes.


    Really ? who did you want him to fight then ? a "shot" Tyson whom would not have agreed to fight Tua ? An even older Holyfield whom may have found Tua just a little too short to land a headbutt on ?
    Ray "whisper in my ear" Mercer ?
    Or maybe you wanted Virgil Hill to move up to HW to be counted a credible opponent for Tua ? (but Tua probably prevented these opportunities by pricing himself out :yep)


    Which was surprisingly about 203 lbs ?
    True.
    Didn't Louis hit him after the bell ?
    As time progresses the list of all time greats changes , but not for the likes of you , you never heard of deletion and insertion from lists.
    Even if they were not big boys ?

    I do claim it and I am honest . Carnerra would have lost to Obed Sullivan and John Ruiz.
    verrry generous of you. "Lewis might have been better than Carnerra "
    Lets settle for a pick em ?
    Tua did great against Lewis compared to how Carnerra did twice against Leroy Haynes. :yep

    Tua never lost the way Carnerra did. Tua wins were much more telling than Carnerra's and Tua's losses were never as humiliating as Carnerra's.

    Because no one fixed his fights for him.
    I wrote HWs , now you switched to "fighters" ?
    Well , I do expect it from you.
    You probably could do great with hos if they just interested you :lol:


    Now you totally misunderstood the paragraph you quoted ?

    Tua achieved what he did despite of having a huge physical limitation .
    This only proves technical ability.
     
  6. frankenfrank

    frankenfrank Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Just shows you how weak of a puncher Schmelling was . Had it been McCall the fight would have ended much earlier .
    Max Baer barely weighed above 200lbs.

    Supported by the facts that Louis was destroyed by lesser punchers

    To elite fighter like Danny Williams and Kevin McBride ?
    Damn , if only Tua faced them , you would probably have recognized him as a top 10 all time HW , weren't you ?



    Tua's opponents ability was not any less than Louis' opponents ability .
    Note I wrote "ability" and not "skill".

    It was meant for your "enlightening" observation regarding Louis' parrying ability and its advantages over modern techniques .

    Another great janitor highlight.

    Like whom ?
     
  7. jaffay

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    12r Louis UD
    15r Louis KO
     
  8. BoxingFanNo1

    BoxingFanNo1 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'm amazed that 44% at this point have picked Louis to stop Tua, and I'm a big Louis fan.
    Tua took some big shots from Ike and Lewis, I don't see Louis getting the KO.
    Louis UD.
     
  9. The Mongoose

    The Mongoose I honor my bets banned

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    -Again, Louis dropped and stopped the sturdy iron chinned Galento in 4 rounds. Badly out of his shape for his standards and bringing injuries, Galento ate flush punishment from both Baer brothers without going down. Prime Louis' accuracy, power, and finishing ability makes him a logical choice to stop most anybody if he can catch them.

    And Lewis cruised behind his reach against Tua with minimal effort, he never pushed for a KO.
     
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  12. manbearpig

    manbearpig A Scottish Noob Full Member

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    That is far too much effort to waste on arguing with a massive spastic.