David Tua vs Rocky Marciano

No doubt. Tua would still run through him like a mack truck though.

 

I have to say that proponents of modern fighters definitely feel more threatened by opinions that contradict their own, than proponents of old school fighters.

Proponents of old school fighters accept that an alternative body of opinion exists, even it they disagree with it.

Proponents of modern fighters have to dismiss the opposition as being delusional, because they cannot even bring themselves to accept that an alternative viewpoint exists.

This is the kind of behaviour that you see in religious people, when their belief system is challenged.

 

Yes, I think you may be right!

That's why I respect proponents of old school fighters like Perry and choklab - who are unbiased, and always listen to and consider alternative opinions.

 

To the contrary! Proponents of old school fighters routinely come across as religious devotees guided by faith and fairy tales rather than facts and reason. They live in a fantasy world in which to really understand boxing, we have to ignore our senses and rely on the storytelling of old bards and scribes instead. Fight footage, size, demonstrated ability to physically execute certain techniques in the ring-- all irrelevant. The only thing that matters to these people are mystic qualities of "class" and "greatness," as determined by people who hopelessly romanticize the past.

 

It is ultimately the way that both groups conduct themselves that tells the story.

You consider every possible explanation for my opinions, except the most obvious one, i.e. that the information that I have been exposed to has led me to these beliefs.

You are so devoted to your own beliefs, that you cannot accept this possibility!

 

Sorry, I don't really understand what you're alleging/claiming here.

 

You are dismissing everybody who favours Marciano as being delusional, because you don’t want to accept that their beliefs are reached by objective ****ysis of the evidence.

That seems to be a place where you are not able sit comfortably.

The group of people whose opinions you are dismissing incidentally constitute a majority of the forum on this particular issue.

When opinion is more or less evenly split between two positions, you ought to acknowledge that there are two schools of thought on the issue, however strongly you disagree with one of them.

 

Is that how you really interpret these threads? I have no problems with people viewing Marciano favorably. He took on the best available opponents during his short title run and beat them all. Showed a lot of heart, stamina, and very impressive power for a man of his size.

It only becomes delusional when people invent obvious falsehoods and fantasies to further glorify him. For example, when people get on here and argue that he wasn't slow, or that he was hard to hit, or that his obvious crudeness was really a form of high-advanced, nuanced skills. Or when they pretend that size is irrelevant or that fighting aging "ATG" little men is more of a challenge than fighting mobile big men, etc. Or when they suggest that 175-lbers like Tommy Gomez were as dangerous heavyweight punchers as David Tua... (actually, that last one might be more illogical than delusional, strictly speaking).

 

You see all these things are either true, or half true.

That is why we are debating them.

 

Or, it might be that you're either delusional or half-delusional... :think

 

i hope you like living in the street

 

I'd give you an excellent rate on a room in your former home. :good