Define a natural heavyweight

Vantage_West · Jun 28, 2008

well...choose tommy hearns alwaysw a ghood show of very tall with power and a very solid welterwieght

scurlaruntings · Jun 28, 2008

Brickhaus said:

Someone who, after going through a typical boxing training camp where they are trying to lose weight, would still weigh over 200 lbs. I'd argue that Haye IS a natural heavyweight, albeit a small one. He strained for years to make 200. If you have to push your body past its limits in order to make weight, then you naturally belong in a higher weight class.
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Sorry dude thats piffle. Haye in his last fight was able to make 198. You dont make 198 if your struggling to make 200lbs. Bearing in mind Haye turned pro at a the old limit of 190 and theres even less credence to your argument.

A natural heavy is any man over 220lbs that cant make at least 210lbs without loosing every ounce of fat on there body. Ideally a man who`s 220lbs with a 6-7% bf is a solid heavy. Anyone at 220lbs who`s in double figures for there BF can make cruiser with some hard training.

scurlaruntings · Jun 28, 2008

kflex101 said:

We shouldn't put factors of height or even bodyfat levels in here, Confucius had a great post recently regarding this - some natural endomorphs like David Tua can be very fit while carrying a bit of fat, that still makes him a natural heavy, it isn't sensible for him to lose extreme amounts of fat as it will just hamper his performance.

Basically, a fighters natural weight class would be the one he can sensibly make while at peak fitness, maintaining strength and not have any ill effects.

Frame size is such a factor here, exactly why a 6'1 Diego Corrales can be a comfortable lightweight and a 5'10 Mike Tyson can be a solid heavy.

There is definitely a certain amount of "bulking" that fighters can do with positive results, again how much so depends on the individual, fight style being a major factor.
Obviously fighters who rely on strength and punching power often don't adapt as well when they climb divisions, while slicksters like Whittaker and PBF can still outdo guys when they are at a physical disadvantage.
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Tua`s ideal weight was 215-225. His now a podgy 240-245. But he has a a classic endo/meso-morphic build as do most people of Samoan descent. His definitly a solid heavy despite being only 5ft 10. He turned pro at over 200lbs. Essentially any man that turns pro at over 200lbs is a solid heavy as a general rule of thumb.

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