Dempsey VS Today's active heavyweights

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  1. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    He is still far behind Peter. Willard was an ancient monument when he fought Firpo, 42 or 43 years old.

    Well i guess we're done discussing, then. You think that's a tire of excess fat, i think he's in good shape.


    Um, talent has nothing to do with learning. You either have it or you don't. And they didn't have it. A trainer cannot make a fighter more or less talented, you know that Janitor.

    There were simply to little people in the higher regions. Why have we never seen a hispanic heavyweight champion and rarely a solid contender, despite there having been tons of great hispanics at lightweight etc? Because their average size is 5'6 140lb. Consequence? Very few guys are naturally big therefore there is a lack of talent in that region and they are not able to compete with the talent from other people where there is talent in the XXL size.


    If he was more than 25lb overweight as you claim, then i don't think a frontal picture could hide it, unless he can carry the weight.

    But here you go:

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    Yep. And still he went past twelve rounds several times if i remember correct. While i'm not advertising his conditioning, some fighters just have a different body type and boxing style and are conditioned accordingly. David Tua will always have some extra weight for exactly the same reason Galento does. Chagaev et all are a bit in between. But all of the above are fine fighters in their own right.
     
  2. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    Tell me who else deserved the shot? You can only fight one at a time.
    There was certainly enough interest in the fight and Galento was on a long winning streak.
    There have been tons of far worse title challengers in history.


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  3. Senya13

    Senya13 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    What were Galento's three best wins, outside of the Lou Nova foulfest? Deserved it, ha!
     
  4. Duodenum

    Duodenum Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    And I'm still all "punched out" from supporting you on that thread. Please feel free to draw liberally from those posts I offered up, if it will suit your purpose. (As T.S. Eliot declared, "Mediocre writers borrow; great writers steal.")
     
  5. janitor

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    Believe me I am not kiding.

    Galento was coming off 11 consecutive knockouts including wins over several opf Louis's former title oponents.
     
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  7. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    And then? Going by that, we'd conclude that Briggs is in excellent shape.
    This is not a body building contest. Fighters need not be ripped. Fedor Emilianenko looks like a bus driver but he destroys all the 300+ lb ripped fighters they put in front of him.

    Chagaev, Sultan, Povetkin et al are fighters and their bodies are a result of training for boxing, not body building. Some people have more talent for a muscular look but in the end it's the ability that counts. Which they most certainly have!

    Technique to a large degree comes down to talent and dedication. A guy like Carnera or Valuev will never be a smooth, technical boxer because they are simply not like that, regardless of trainer.


    Well, i'm not going to spend more time on this, i've provided plenty of pictures and you have made up your mind just like i have.
     
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  9. Maxmomer

    Maxmomer Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Thanks, your encyclopedic knowledge of Jack Dempsey is a gift to us all.
     
  10. Duodenum

    Duodenum Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Just as well. I understand the pus busting body zits and hangover are awful. (Not to mention the amputated limbs, collapsed spines, deteriorating hip bones and shriveled genitals.)
     
  11. red cobra

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    Archie Moore, according to a Gil Clancy interview I read once, said that Dempsey was a physically strong man, as he heard it from an old trainer acquaintence he knew. Dempsey was a hard as steel kind of guy who could capitalize in a flash on a mistake and end it all with one shot, as Jack Sharkey found out, and Gene Tunney almost found out. I think he is painfully underrated by today's brilliant boxing intelligensia, for whom boxing only began with Muhammad Ali, or the eighties. The great modern day historical revisionists of boxing.
     
  12. Duodenum

    Duodenum Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Well RC, once Maxmomer finishes reading all of Dempsey's instructional literature, and evaluates it against the best computer enhanced movie clips of Jack's finest filmed performances on DVD, he'll become just like the rest of the Dempsey "illuminati" (ie: Bruce Lee), no longer willing to "bang the head against the wall" in educating others about Jack's methodology, but just shaking the head in amusement, and chuckling silently at the ignorance of the Mauler's critics.;)