Dempsey vs Wills article

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  1. Perry

    Perry Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Thanks for admitting you purposefully used a made up number to make your calculations look better. You also twisted my words again to try to make your view "fit". You are the worst of the worst.
     
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  2. Seamus

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    "Champion" is a luminescent state of being and not always a performance-based title.

    Though I certainly applaud his abilities as Hollywood Cokksmithing.
     
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  3. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    :lol: what are you talking about? Why so serious? Come on, what's the problem? I didn't make up any numbers? Tell you what sweetie - we'll do it with months. OK? Fairer? But i AM going to include months in which they won and lost the title :lol:
     
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  4. mcvey

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    What would you sooner have been doing S.:think
     
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  5. Perry

    Perry Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Again fudging the numbers in a way to make your point look better.

    Dempsey was not significantly different from those before or after him aside from Burns who was an exception. (From Sullivan to Braddock). Those before him fought many exhibitions, appeared in plays and vaudeville and in the case of Dempsey performed in motion pictures. ALL took their title on the road.
     
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  6. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    I am not buying your math.

    Willard has to be thrown out because of the World War. I still don't see how Johnson, Jeffries and the already acknowledged Burns were less active.

    And nothing is so egregious as taking 3 years off when a universally recognized number one contender already has been waiting patiently for years. That's a different level of inactivity that some might label willful avoidance.
     
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  7. Perry

    Perry Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Who said these three were less active than Dempsey? I didn't.
     
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  8. janitor

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    This is not strictly true, because Dempsey anounced his retirment in January of 1925.

    Therfore he had theoretically relinquished the title, and it could have passed to another fighter, without his return to the ring.

    http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/58261953

    On this basis, we must place blame for the title remaining in limbo, on the contemporary comissions and promotors.
     
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  9. McGrain

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    JACK DEMPSEY was Champion in 87 months. He fought six times by Boxrec and Perry wants an unlisted exhibition included. We give him its, so that's seven.

    7 contests divided by 87 months = 0.0804


    JIM JEFFRIES was Champion in 63 months and fought 9 contests in that time

    9 contests divided by 63 months = 0.1428


    JACK JOHNSON was Champion in 77 and fought 10 contests in that time.

    10 contests divided by 77 months = 0.1298


    The difference remains huge. Dempsey can't muster even .1 for activity, these guys are both over that. It's a marked difference in activity whichever way you decide to slice it.
     
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  10. Perry

    Perry Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Jeffries was champion just a few weeks short of six years. So that's 71 months.

    I did not calculate Johnson but assume you are once again fudging the numbers here too.

    You have such poor credibility. Fudging numbers and distorting my statements.
     
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  11. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    My credibility on this forum is absolutely airtight. I've been here for years, contributed heavily been wrong sometimes but right more often.

    You're new here and have had quite a lot to say for yourself regarding long-term members without having contributed anything of value your own self. I'd show just a bit more humility if I were you.

    Anyway, to anyone sane it's very clear that Dempsey is way more inactive than either Johnson or Jeffries. It's been proven several different ways now.
     
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  12. Perry

    Perry Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You purposely used incorrect numbers and distorted my own words. You are not only dishonest but nothing you write has credibility.
     
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  13. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Why? Why was that purposeful? How do you know? It's impossible that it could have been an honest mistake? Or even that YOU are wrong? You have made no attempt to adjust the criteria to your liking before you start roaring at me like a lunatic for being a liar with no credibility?

    My sincere advice to you is that you log off for a while.
     
    McGrain, Aug 3, 2015
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  14. Perry

    Perry Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Did you or did you not use false numbers TWICE? Did you or did you not twist my statements to make you points appear better than they were? The answer to both is yes you did. You have no credibility.
     
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  15. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    McGrain and I are far from friends ,but you could not have picked a worse opponent in the credibility stakes.
    He has universal respect on this forum ,even from me and he irritates the **** out of me at times.

    You've been here what 4 months, and alienated everyone you've debated with. The only one who thinks you pass muster is a ret*rd .Your best bet is, to jack in and come back under another username with less hubris and a healthy dose of humility stuffed down your neck.
     
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