Dempsey would destroy Foreman

Of course Foreman would win vs Demsey 9 times out of 10, DMT. Marciano, maybe 6 out of 10. Frazier about the same as Dempsey, and Tyson about the same as Marciano.

 

why would Marciano win 4 times out of 10 ? I frankly don't see Tyson and Marciano doing any better.

 

Next time, make your point without comparing an ATG HW like Marciano to a potentially ATG WW like Floyd. Dempsey has a chance against Foreman. Floyd has ZERO, and I do mean FRIGGIN ZERO, chance against Marciano. I you can't see that - well without sounding too cruel, you have opinions of whatever value.

As far as Demsey destroying Foreman... It could happen. Foreman has a suspect chin.

 

It's really simple, fighters who make their living coming forward don't do so well when they are backed up. If anyone could check a come forward fighter and back him up it's Big Daddy.

 

Not really, but when talking about size... yes I am. I'm not even all that sure who had the better chin between the two. That said, I rate Foreman in the top 10, willard about 24, and Dempsey about 14, and falling.

 

Why would you say Foreman has a suspect chin?

 

You're getting a little too excited because you don't understand my initial point. And God knows I've tried to explain it to you enough different times and ways.

It's like saying: I would have as much chance against Marciano as Floyd would have.

While not strictly true, for all practical purposes, it is.

Obviously, most would expect Floyd to have a better chance against the Rock than I would , since he's a top class boxer.

Remember, in any event, a given outcome has hardly ever a zero chance of happening. There's usually some chance, however small.

( Rocky might slip coming out of his corner and get nailed going down, then bang his head on the corner post (like Hatton) and be out cold.

There is more chance that Floyd could take advantage of such a slip than I could.

So, Floyd would have some chance, however small, and I would have some chance however much smaller.

Practically speaking, neither outcome is likely, but the probability is not zero.

My point was that, for practical purposes, neither event (Dempsey over George, nor Floyd over Rocky) was in the cards.

I admitted a post or two later that it was a bit far fetched, but not much.

(Floyd has a better chance than me, but not much.)

So, for the final time, from YOUR way of rounding off probabilities close to zero, my point was that George WOULD beat Jack, and Rocky WOULD beat Floyd.

BTW, if you had read my other posts, about once a month for the past year, I have argued against idiots and 'haters' who have claimed that Dempsey, or Frazier, or Holyfield or whoever..would have defeated Rocky.

I picked him and Floyd because of the ratio of their relative sizes being close to the Foreman Dempsey ratio.

 

Why wouldn't they? Tyson and Marciano had the better defenses of the 4 in my view.

Tyson threw very good, hard, combination punches using both hands. Marciano hit immensely hard with both hands, which is rather hard to defend against. The power thing goes to Marciano and Tyson. Dempsey didn't hit as hard as either (but still enough to KO George on one of George's worst days). Frazier had a left for offense, and not a whole lot more.

These four are always getting compared, but they weren't exactly alike. To think Foreman whoops any of them 100% of the time is stupid.

Tyson and Marciano would do the best, but all of them could beat George.

 

How good was Ali at KO opponents Foreman and afterwards, John?

 

You were trying to say Dempsey would have as much chance of destroying Foreman as Floyd would have of beating Marciano... there is no comparison, tongue in cheek or otherwise. Dempsey has a chance of destroying Foreman... that chance doesn't exist Floyd vs Marciano.

 

Ali ko'ed Foreman more from exhaustion than anything, and the thing is he still could have likely got up. Pure class stoppage with Foreman out on his feet physically, if you follow. Watch the fight, boxrec may record the fight as a KO or whatever and we can look thru and see many going the distance vs Ali, but this fight is VERY circumstancial.

Why didn't Foreman drop from the much bigger left hooks imposed by Frazier? Because he was fresh. Cooney, Holyfield, Stewart, Morrison, Moorer, all big to monster hitters, he did fine against. The Ali fight simply has to be taken for what it was.

 

I guess the "rope-a-dope" should have become more of a boxing phenomena than it has then. Simple fact is Foreman got KO by a guy that didn'y have much in his punches.

Did any of them hit as hard as Marciano or Tyson? The guys you mention are good hitters, but perhaps not as good as the two mentioned by me. You need to remember I'm only giving 40% with this.

 

IMO, Dempsey would have , practically speaking, NO chance against Foreman.

He would have some chance of GETTING KILLED.

 

Anyone who has watched the Ali/ Foreman fight knows that it was not Ali's punches that ended George's evening. It was exhaustion, pure and simple.

He was out on his feet. The punches just finished off the job.

Ali came out of his rope-a dope towards the end of round five and tried to finish George off. His onslaught on George was heavier than the one that was successful three rounds later. He found George insufficiently exhausted at that point, so he went back to what he was doing for another three rounds.

By round 8, george was done, and ready to go.

(Just like SRR 's loss to Joey Maxim). Heat, overexertion, exhaustion.

 

Hmmmm, have you ever watched the actual fight? I'm thinking maybe not, Foreman's troubles i mention are easy to see and quite visible. Holmes stopped a lot of fighters that had never been stopped and he wasn't a hard hitter. Many i might term a "class" stoppage.

Well first of all i think Marciano doesn't hit quite as hard as Tyson. Cooney and Morrison may well have hit harder than Marciano with a single shot. Not great fighters but those two were frightening power wise. Big men, big swings and plenty of leverage. The topic is Dempsey and i don't doubt those two hit harder with a single shot, talking power wise.