Dempsey's punching ability compared to the 90s heavyweights

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  1. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

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    explain to me you not paying attention to Wlad vs Fury, which wasnt far short of that. Yes that epitome of elitedom of todays "evolved shws".

    Dempsey would cut down both those clowns on the same night.
     
  2. Ice cold boxing

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    yeah definetly a hard hitter for his size and was a very serious guy, as one story goes he was sparring and Dempseys opponent playfully patted Dempsey on the head, one minute later Dempseys opponent was laying on his front spitting teeth out
     
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  3. Ice cold boxing

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    Very brutal and vicious in his early days, one story that highlights his punching power is that he was sparring with someone who he didn't like, during the spar he ended up hitting his opponent in the kidney, the punch was so hard on the kidney that the kidney enflamed and the guy had to be rushed to the hospital and he nearly died
     
  4. Perry

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    Why does the very uninformed poster cherry pick??????

    Look at the left hook that koed Sharkey.

    Look at the left hook and the volley that came after he used to nearly KO Tunney.

    Look at the inside game that brought down Firpo. Short ultra short punches.

    Look at the first left hook Dempsey floored Willard with.

    While you're at it watch Dempsey slip 8 consecutive punches by Tunney.

    You have no idea what you are writing about.
     
  5. reznick

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    For sure.
    When Willard had his back turned to him, he should've held his guard high while bobbing and weaving.
    Maybe he could dodge his farts and land a sharp counter to his buttocks.

    Your ability to see weight transfer is lacking and needs refinement, as Dempsey was one of the best weight transfer punchers in history.
     
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  6. It's Ovah

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    That was an exception, not a rule.

    Dempsey wouldn't stand a chance against either man.
     
  7. reznick

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    Foreman was about as much of an arm puncher as Babe Ruth was a soft batter.
     
  8. HerolGee

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    ahhh sooooooooooo the battle between the TWO TOP HWs we've seen this decade IS SUDDENLY THE EXCEPTION NOT THE RULE. Cos it completely ruins your hypothesis of "superheavyweight evolution of boxing" crap

    yeh meathead move on.
     
  9. It's Ovah

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    No, he should have maintained his punching distance and punching stance and not compromised his balance and power by smothering Willard while totally squared up. That's amateur hour stuff.

    Standing straight on with your legs splayed out leaning into an opponent is not a mechanically efficient position for generating power. That's not an opinion, it's biomechanical fact. Efficient weight transference is achieved from a traditional stance, one foot forward. That's why literally every single professional boxer fights like this unless they totally suck.

    I'm willing to give Dempsey a pass for this because it's not totally representative of the way he always fought, but no one's going to convince me that that's picture perfect punching form.
     
  10. It's Ovah

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    When two well matched top level boxers get in the ring together there's a lot more mental warring going on than would otherwise be the case. In this instance both men attempted to out think the other, with the result that actual physical combat was reduced to a minimum. It was a terrible fight from a spectator's POV, but highlighted the multiple levels of combat on which top fighters operate.

    If that's your only example then your statement is not representative of the modern way of fighting.
     
  11. Perry

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    With his bout with Willard you see initial sparring and then a rush by Dempsey of short blows culminating in that Herculean left hook that brought down Willard for the first time. Then Dempsey got overexcited. Remember he had bet his entire purse on a first round KO. But watch closely. After the Fifth knockdown it's like Dempsey realizes he is not concentrating his power and was out of form. He then throws short blows culminating in a right hand that knocks Jess clear across the ring culminating in the sixth knockdown of the fight. For the next two rounds you can see tremendous technique from a tiring Dempsey. Bobbing and weaving under punches and closing the distance. Short body blows and counters to Willards head. Cherry picking is amateur level stuff here and you will be called out by those that are knowledgeable.
     
  12. Mr.DagoWop

    Mr.DagoWop Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Your evaluation of the gif you provided is incorrect. Dempsey did put his bodyweight into the "windup haymaker" when Jess was getting up. You can note this from the fact that Dempsey has to keep himself from falling by bringing his right foot forward. Something Joe Louis did too when throwing the right hand.

    This is basic punch mechanics you are getting wrong.
     
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  13. Mr.DagoWop

    Mr.DagoWop Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Now you are contradicting yourself. If Foreman can be one of the best punchers in the heavyweight division of all time with bad technique then what is the point of having good technique?
     
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  14. Mr.DagoWop

    Mr.DagoWop Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    When you have a guy on **** creek and he isn't throwing anything back/you don't need to worry about what he's throwing back then a world champion level fighter is able to open up even if it sacrifices fundamentals.
     
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  15. Mr.DagoWop

    Mr.DagoWop Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Lol so now Dempsey couldn't hit. What's next Ali wasn't fast?