Deontay Wilder vs Murat Gassiev

Well, of course Wilder does have power in his hands.
Strange stuff is that he after switched to pro turned into 1 handed boxer.
He should had used both hands a lot, this at first. I think he was capable to debilitate with both hands, in pros he had turned into more 1 handed boxer.

 

Wilder doesn't choose his strategy or select his opposition but even his opponents are not as bad as the Matchroom propaganda suggests, at least not relative to AJ's. Ortiz was old but I'd strongly favour the never-dropped, 39 year old, 28-0 (24 KO's) Wilder 1 version to beat everyone on AJ's resume aside from 41 year old retired Wlad and maybe 39 year old Povetkin. Breazeale was a tough man and could take a lot of punishment: AJ needed over 6 rounds and 166 punches for the ref to step in but Wilder ended it in the 1st round with one punch. Ruiz was a 25-1 underdog in America because the conventional wisdom was that he was a weak fringe contender and his career post and pre-AJ supports that view. Was Ruiz better than Stiverne, who handled a prime Arreola twice more comfortably than Ruiz handled the 40 year old, retired and injury prone version? Parker has now been tainted by his close fight in NZ with Ruiz and Parker got a gift against 37.5 year old Chisora, who most thought was essentially a bum until he gave Whyte hell back in 2016, who himself was terminated by a shot Povetkin.

I'm not claiming that Wilder's pre-Ortiz opponents were top men in the division but we need some perspective here. Szpilka beat cruiser champ Adamek before he was shot and beat Wach post-Wilder, Duhaupas beat Charr and KO'd Helenius post-Wilder and Washington KO'd Jerry Forrest in 2 and KO'd Helenius post-Wilder. Ortiz smashed Jennings and at an official 40 shut out Hammer, one a good mover and the other a decent mauler and Ortiz's performances against journeymen were generally better than all rival contenders. Stiverne outboxed and then smashed prime Arreola and his only loss was bogus. Wilder KO'd all of these men.

A rusty and poorly-conditioned Fury did outbox Wilder but the fight was not the schooling that Klitschko-Fury was and Fury caught Wilder totally off guard in the rematch when also fully fit and motivated. But don't assume that because Fury at his best can destroy Wilder, so can everyone else near the top. Fury's combination of physical, technical and psychological traits are unique, against virtually everyone else Wilder will have length and speed advantages and they will be much easier to land bombs on. Fury-Wilder 3 is only 70-30 with the bookies because they understand how dangerous Wilder is even against a guy who has proven his superiority over him in virtually every respect.

 

You are blinded by your hatred of Wilder. AJ's best wins (Wlad, Povetkin, Pulev) were 41 and retired, 39 and 39.5 respectively and the others (2015 Whyte, Parker, Ruiz) have proven to be at or below the level of a prime Chisora. AJ got smashed by a weak fringe contender who is inferior to Stiverne and 39 year old Ortiz beats everyone on AJ's resume aside from Wlad and maybe old Povetkin. AJ requires 166 shots to do what Wilder can do in 9 (Breazeale).

And even aside from this, "names" on a resume don't determine who is likely to win a fight. Wlad found that out again when he lost to Fury and AJ: men with paper-thin resumes at the time compared to himself. Though even there Wlad's resume was less deep than it superficially looked relative to Fury's: if you can smash Cunningham you can do the same to Jennings and Chambers, if you can school Chisora you can do the same to Peter and Brewster. If Ortiz can smash Jennings and school Hammer, he can beat Parker and Ruiz. Wilder actually has more experience than AJ against a variety of body types, styles and stances.

 

"Ortiz is a very skilled, 6'3, 78 inch reach, 240 lbs southpaw with extensive high level amateur pedigree, an 82% KO ratio (excluding NC's/DQ's) across 28 pro fights against 215+ lbs opponents and 6 of the KO’s came in the 1st round. Ortiz's best win is his 7th round TKO over Jennings and Ortiz has only lost twice in 34 fights (both times in the 2nd half to Wilder by KO) on both occasions proving to be Wilder's most challenging and dangerous opponent aside from Fury."

Gassiev is clearly more of a plodder than any of Usyk's elite cruiser opponents and at 235 lbs he will be even slower. His reach is inferior to Ortiz's, he's not a southpaw and he doesn't have the amateur pedigree. He has zero experience at HW, his best win is over a washed up journeyman who Ortiz-victim Hammer KO'd in 5 rounds when the guy was 19-0. No one Foreman's size or smaller has dominated the HW division since before the 90's, so I still contend that Gassiev is too small. Any of the top 6 would play with him, Usyk already did.

 

Maybe this argument would be slightly reasonable if Ortiz and Stiverne weren’t out of their prime geezers too. Also, Parker and Ruiz are both far more proven and better than Jennings and the never great and way past his best Hammer. Also, Klitschko had a much better resume, but the reason it isn’t relevant is because he was an old man against both Joshua and Fury. Wilder is the older man in Wilder vs Joshua, and he’s getting to the point where age can be a legitimate factor.

 

Holyfield dominated for awhile in the 90s, I doubt he could now, but Gassiev is much, much bigger than both Holyfield and Foreman. He comes in at 235, he’s physically bigger than Wilder, even though he gives up a significant amount in height.

 

It's easy to put negative spin and pick holes with ATG resumes (such as you have with AJ and his opposition) let alone a guy who is cherry picker with padded record and whom 95% of the forum consider to have a very poor resume for Champion in Wilder.

So here it's goes:

- Got dropped by journeyman Nicholls and it wrongly ruled a slip.

- Got dropped by journeyman Scroniers.

- Out boxed by football hooligan over numerous rounds whom Chisora didnt have to break a sweat to KO in the first round.

- Got rocked, hurt and taken to the later rounds by a school teacher who was dispossed with ease and without getting out of 3rd gear by AJ.

-Got his face bashed and a swollen mess against the French Dave Allen.

- Got out boxed by an average fighter in Washington in numerous rounds.

- went life and death with a guy who is a lot older than his official age and only notable win his entire career was against an average fighter in Jennings.

- Got out boxed and got a gift decision against a retired spent Fury.

- Got battered in a rematch against a retired and spent Fury coming in at career heaviest. Got dropped by glancing body shot by a guy known for being featherfisted who hasn't beaten anyone of real quality since Wlad over 5 years ago.

No matter how much you attempt to spin it - Wlad, Povetkin, Whyte, Parker, Ruiz and Pulev all have better resumes than Ortiz best win.

Wilder has avoided any of big punchers....there's a reason for that and why he turned down so many fights against AJ, Whyte and Chisora to fight much poorer opposition.

 

Stiverne wasn't washed up until the 2nd Wilder fight; he was coming off good victories over 2014 Arreola, not a life and death battle with 2021 Arreola. Ruiz was not more proven than Jennings, he was going the distance regularly with journeymen, even chinny journeymen, despite being highly aggressive. Jennings KO'd Liakhovich before he was shot, Ruiz went the distance and had a competitive fight with the shot version. Stylistically Ruiz would be an easy fight for Jennings even now, who is much faster and longer. I wouldn't favour Parker to beat prime Jennings either based on many of his woeful performances, the most recent against a 37.5 year old, worn Chisora. How was Hammer way past his best? He was 31.5 and went on to go the distance with Yoka in France. He's on a very similar level to Ruiz: similarly durable but with more length and footspeed. Klitschko had a massive experience advantage over Fury and was in prime condition (he had recently signed a 5 fight deal, so confident was he that he had not significantly slipped) but he'd never faced a bigger, faster, more skilled opponent with that much confidence and belief before. Against AJ he lost partly because he was 41 and rusty but it was mainly because he was too cautious to finish AJ in the 6th. He'd displayed this unfortunate personality trait against much smaller and weaker men, like Byrd in 2000 or Chambers in 2012 up until the final 5 seconds.

 

Holyfield never had a sustained run, he was always losing to Bowe, Moorer or Lewis before he started losing to people like John Ruiz. Gassiev is fatter than Holyfield but he's not naturally bigger than Foreman. It's just as much about height and reach (Gassiev 6'3, 76 inch) as it is about weight and Gassiev was a plodder as a cruiser, let alone at 235 lbs.

 

The amount of energy required to refute BS is exponentially greater than the amount of energy to produce it. I will post an essay on Wilder's resume which refutes your nonsense.

 

There have been roughly 60 cruiserweight champions in history, two (2) have won heavyweight belts.

You have to be kind of special to pull it off. Gassiev isn't special.

Gassiev has done nothing at heavyweight. Wilder was WBC heavyweight champion for five years and has knocked out everyone he faced for 12 years at heavyweight except for the current 6'9" 270-pound world champ, who he also floored twice and drew with. And if he wastes Fury in October, he'll have knocked out everyone he's ever faced in a very long career. That's special.

Some guys in this thread for some unknown reason keep bringing up Szpilka, who ended his fight with Wilder knocked unconscious for five minutes, was carted out of the ring on a stretcher with an oxygen masked glued to his faced, was hospitalized for days ... couldn't box for a year ... and was never the same again.

That's like holding up Johnny Owen as an example of how to beat Lupe Pintor. Spzilka probably never should've fought again. Wilder ruined him with that KO. Absolutely ruined him. He's lucky he survived.

And Wilder would absolutely ruin Gassiev, too, which is why this matchup is so silly.

Gassiev will never even buy a ticket to the same arena where Wilder is fighting, let alone get in the ring with him.

You guys have been touting that group of cruiserweights for years now. None of them have done anything at heavyweight. If Usyk hadn't received an "automatic" mandatory spot by the WBO, he wouldn't be fighting Joshua either. Ring ranks 10 heavyweights above Usyk. And Gassiev never came close to beating Usyk.

At heavyweight, he's a figment of your imaginations.

 

You love to troll , don't you?

 

The differance in these fighters it that Wilder has a right hand. Gassiev has a hook to the body,a hook to the head, a huge uppercut, and right hand that he throws straight or overhand.

And don't give me this **** about Deontay's mad power. That perception is born of fighting bums.

 

Wake me up when Wilder beats someone with a pulse.

 

Usyk not worthy of a title shot yet Wilder earned his title shot by beating a 25-16-4 Jason Gavern before beating one of poorest HW champions of all time in Stiverne.

I mean Usyk win over Chisora is just as as good of win at HW if not better than anyone Wilder has ever beaten and that's just in his second fight at HW.