Deontay Wilder's 'Athleticism'.

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  1. OpinionOfACasual

    OpinionOfACasual Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    What do people mean by this?

    It's the second fight in a row when he's fought a heavier opponent, who was meant to have inferior fitness, and he has been outworked by both.

    We all know that Wilder is technically inferior to almost all of the top 10, and probably a fair few more of the top 50......
    His 'Athleticism' is supposed to be what gives him the advantage over a guy like Ortiz, and Fury coming off a long lay off, so why isn't it?



    I've suggested for a while now that his gas tank is actually worse than both Fury and Joshua.
    His punch output is lowering fight by fight, and he looked like the one coming off losing 150 pounds the other night.
     
  2. It's Ovah

    It's Ovah Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think it just means he's fast and explosive and has nice shiny muscles. His coordination and balance are pretty shoddy and his stamina isn't quite as impressive as I was led to believe.

    I honestly think Fury is a more natural athlete, boxing-wise, than Wilder will ever be.
     
  3. Robbie Fowler

    Robbie Fowler New Member booted Full Member

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    People in America seem to use this word when they can't think of anything else to say.

    Fury looks the far more athletic fighter. I'd bet anything Fury is better at almost every sport than Wilder.
     
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  4. DonTyson

    DonTyson Member Full Member

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    He played American football and basketball before boxing so he is an athlete in that sense. As far as boxing goes all I see is raw power. It’s like a game where he’s attributed all his points to power and very little else. If that fails him he’s in big trouble
     
  5. Serge

    Serge MUH RUSSIA, NOVICHOK, MELDONIUM, DOE Full Member

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    Even at 350lbs Fury is much more athletic than him. I doubt Donkey could catch a ball if you threw one at him and if he threw one at you it would probably wind up 10 feet either side of you. And I'd be surprised if could make it to the finish line in the same lane he started out in if he ran the 100 meters.
     
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  6. The Long Count

    The Long Count Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It is actually used in a bigoted manner often in America to describe any African American athlete. If the athlete is black and successful you will automatically hear the label athletic attached to their name. Wilder is not a great athlete and never has been, he is not particularly well coordinated or fast. His stamina is only good not great. Much of his power is derived from the leverage he generates from his height and lanky build. Most “athletes” are skilled and use both hands well, he does not. Most can throw a wide variety of punches and possess outstanding dexterity, Wilder looks like a giraffe at an ice skating rink.
    Quite frankly the label should not be applied in a general manner to him. I would describe Wilder as possessing heart and grit but fairly predictable only possessing a big right hand. That doesn’t mean he’s a great athlete. It also doesn’t mean he can’t be successful with what he has, their are not many 6’7 guys with his reach that have a powerful right hand like he does.
    It’s a cliche term thrown around too often. Ali was a great athlete, Tyson was a great athlete, Roy Jones was a great athlete, Lomachenko is a great athlete. Use the word for fighters that it actually applies to.
     
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  7. 305th

    305th Well-Known Member Full Member

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    If you want to be petty about definitions then you can't deny he's extremely strong for his weight. And given none of us here know his "athletic feats" i.e. the 100m sprint, long jump, vertical jump, bench etc who knows.

    Boxing aside, he more than held his own strength wise at 220 max against a taller guy who was probably 265.

    Give him some credit ffs.
     
  8. bandeedo

    bandeedo quaecumque vera Full Member

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    i assume the word "athletic" means something different to different people. i dont think wilder is athletic at all. he has bad balance and coordination, 2 things anyone called athletic should have.
     
  9. Reg

    Reg Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Fury exposed Wilders supposed handspeed. Wilder looked like molasses compared to Fury.
     
  10. Jackomano

    Jackomano Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Boxing is more about efficiency than it is about athleticism. Wilder's footwork is extremely wasteful and he waste too many power punches without setting them up first so most of them end up just being a waste of energy. Fury and Ortiz were wearing Wilder out, since while they were using very little energy to score their offense Wilder was using a ridiculous amount of energy swinging his right hand. When Wilder took his time and set the right hand up instead just swinging it he was managing to land on Fury.
     
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  11. hotspur77

    hotspur77 New Member Full Member

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    What surprised me most wasn’t his poor gas tank (which was worse than I imagined) but more how quickly he punched himself out after he had Fury down. Especially in round 9 I was expecting a full on, all out sustained assault as there was plenty of time left in the round. But it just sort of fizzled out pretty quickly
     
  12. It's Ovah

    It's Ovah Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think it's more like Fury negated Wilder's speed by showing us how easy and predictable he is to read. Speed is nothing if you telegraph all your punches and fight with an obvious rhythm.

    Wilder is still hella quick of hand and foot though. If he wasn't he'd have never caught Fury in the 12th with that quick hop-step right hand.
     
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  13. Luis Fernando

    Luis Fernando Active Member Full Member

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    Wilder looks 'athletic' compared to nonathletic and non-elite bums, journeymen, stiffs, cab drivers, obese fat men, 40+ year old high blood pressure patients, French Pastry Chefs, ex security guards and so forth so on. But when compared to another elite athlete and boxer who is still in his prime (age wise), all of a sudden, he looks like he has the 'athleticism' of a street thug brawler in comparison.

    There are many different attributes, related to 'athleticism'. Speed and power aren't the only athletic attributes. Balance, hand eye coordination, full body coordination, agility, dexterity, endurance and so forth so on. Not just Fury, but many other boxers outperform Wilder in terms of OVERALL 'athleticism'.
     
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  14. SmackDaBum

    SmackDaBum heavyweightblog.com booted Full Member

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    I mostly think about overall speed. Vertical leap etc. He's got that.

    Wilder is great at cover distance fast. That's where his athletics come in hand. Watch the knockouts of Stiverne 2 and Kelvin Price for examples of this.
     
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  15. CutThroatFade

    CutThroatFade Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Of all your stupid threads this is probably the stupidest.

    The literal definition of "athleticism" is:
    the physical qualities that are characteristic of athletes, such as strength, fitness, and agility.

    This includes power, height, his freakishly low weight at 6'7", his durability...

    Make no mistake, Deontay Wilder is one of the greatest athletes of all time in ANY sport. He started boxing so late, lacks basic fundamentals but is still one of the best heavyweights around, and probably one of the best heavyweights either, and this is largely due to his outer worldly athleticism.
     

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