Did anyone hit harder than Shavers or Foreman?

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Some quotes about Shavers' punching power:

Tex Cobb: "Nobody hits like Shavers. If anybody hit harder than Shavers, I'd shoot him."

Larry Holmes: "Earnie hit me harder than any other fighter, including Mike Tyson. He hit me and I was face down on the canvas hearing saxophonist Jimmy Tillis."

Tex Cobb: "Earnie could punch you in the neck with his right hand and break your ankle."

Muhammad Ali: "Earnie hit me so hard, he shook my kinfolk back in Africa"

Ron Lyle: "Hey man, that's the hardest I've ever been hit in my life. And George Foreman could punch, but none of them could hit like Earnie Shavers did. When he hit you, the lights went out. I can laugh about it now, but at the time, it wasn't funny."

Ron Lyle: "Hardest he's ever been hit: Earnie Shavers. The ground came up and met me. That's all I remember."

James Tillis: "Shavers hit so hard he turned horse p*ss into gasoline! He hit me so hard he brought back tomorrow. When he hit me… I was seeing pink rats and cats and animals smoking cigarettes. I was in the land of make-believe."

James Tillis: "The baddest motherf*cker I fought was Earnie Shavers. That motherf*cker can make July into June and made me jump over the motherf*ckin' moon. That motherf*cker hit so hard, he'll bring back tomorow. He hit me so hard, I thought I was on the corner smoking cigarette and eating a spam sandwich. That's how hard that motherf*cker hit."

 

Lennox, Wlad and David Tua

probably some others too

 

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Yes, there are probably dozens of guys, but none of them went into boxing nor stuck with it.

 

Yes you can. Shavers's power on the whole is really overrated, and relies almost entirely on what other fighters said of it. Which, even if you believe them, is irrelevant in the above fighters I mentioned, sans Cooney.

 

Yeah, yeah. Show me Shavers doing this to someone:

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Have you seen Shavers-Ellis or Shavers-Norton? Both very quick KOs.

Also, I think you're mixing up fighting ability with punching power. Foreman, Lennox, Tyson, even Ali, Holmes, and Patterson KOd better fighters than Shavers, but Shavers punched harder than all of them. Shavers didn't have the KOs over ATG guys because he was facing fighters who were simply better and managed to avoid the KO blows.

 

Those are some great quotes on Shavers.

 

Valuev hits harder.

 

I've seen every single major KO by Shavers that's available on film. Not one of them approach the brutality of Tua Ruiz.

I've gone over the second point before with you in another thread.

 

Wladimir Klitschko, without doubt. His KO percentage is one of the best in history. The the average record of his KO victims is the best of any heavyweight champion(26-2). The Average weight of his KO victems is the most in history(234 lbs.) This is important because everyone, yes everyone, sees a big drop in KO percentage the larger and better record their opponent has.
Average weight of an Earnie Shavers KO victem - 200 lbs.
George Foreman (3 kos in world title fights) - 213
Iron Mike Tyson - 217
Also, Fredie Roach trained both Tyson and Wlad and said that Wladimir hits harder, although Mike was "Much more Explosive". I assume that means speed and power together?

 

I'd have to agree that Tua could probably give Shavers a run for the title.

Hard to say, though. Taking Ruiz as an example, Tua might as well have been hitting a heavy bag. The guy took the blow dead-on, with no head movement.
The same can be said of other Tua victims.

Quality of opposition definitely matters, otherwise you'd have to put Wilder at the top of the list.

 

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There is a whole list of punchers that punches very very very hard.In terms of pure punching power.


Razer Ruddock
Gary Mason
David Tua
Andrew Golota
Frank Bruno
they were all big punchers
Tommy Morrison
Prime Shannon Briggs
big big punchers
Michael Grant was a pretty big puncher as well
and I say the 2002 version of Mike Tyson had brutal One Punch KO Power. It was the only thing he had left, but it was there.\
Vitali had good power too, but it needed to be build first.



I pity anyone with a glass chin having to fight
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that guy would have gotten knocked out so many times .