Did Calzaghe avoid Ottke like the plague?

quite honestly, I cant remember what channels 80s fights were on, and if big States fights were on the BEEB in the Norties then I must have missed out. Most of the rounds are quite fuzzy now to be honest, except for the big moments, or moments when you thought something big was about to happen, or the odd weird camera angle.

The clearest detail I remember about fights from wayback is the music and jingles associated with them, such as Europes Final COuntdown played durng the tv intro to the Hagler Leonard fight. I get the impression that was on ITV at the time but I cant place it for certain.

but I gutted if its true that BBC were showing jones jnr fights, I don't remember seeing any of them in listings though I was slightly bitter during the early 2000s with sky hogging all the big fights so I might not have been paying full attention at the time.

Not that it makes any difference now, NOW I get nearly all of it and for FREE.

 

Eubank, Benn, Watson and Collins do that as well. Fact of the matter is, America doesn't care about fighters who either dont make it or dont try to make it in America. That those four and Calzaghe were big on the British and European scene and some of the most famous fighters in boxing history this side of the Atlantic means nothing to Americans who generally view them as second rate guys who never made the big time or, in Calzaghe's case, only did it at the end of his career against old men.

 

assassin,

This is madness.


We're now arguing about which of Roy's fights were televised, on a thread regarding Joe and Sven.

Again, the only reason I doubted you, is because I had to order certain fights, and I guessed that you wouldn't have done that.

You said that certain fights of Roy's weren't shown because he wouldn't fight the best.

So, how did you see those fights that weren't shown?

Did you just miss them, or have you watched them since, on YouTube or somewhere?


My theory was based on you not being a fan of Roy's.

I couldn't envisage you going out of your way to watch a fighter that you don't like.

Also, there's the bizarre things that you write about him.

So, I put two and two together, and assumed that you hadn't seen a fair few of his bouts.


With regards to the Glen Kelly fight, I can assure you it was on Sky.

They did a double header with Roy and Hopkins.

Hopkins fought Carl Daniels in Pennsylvania, and Roy fought Kelly in Miami.

They showed Hopkins first.


Here's a shortened version of their famous on air argument, just after Hopkins had fought Daniels, and just before Roy went out to fight Kelly.

It's from the Sky team.


http://youtu.be/zvFdo1gG7bY


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvFdo1gG7bY

I watched the Ruiz fight live on Sky. Either on Sky Sports, or possibly PPV. I can't remember paying for it, but me and my mate may have done.

Either way, it was on Sky, with the Sky pundits.

I certainly can't remember the undercard.

I come on here whenever I've got the time.

Well you obviously watched the fight and have a good memory.

Again, I've no recollection of the undercard.

But again, I was questioning how you saw the fights that weren't televised, which you alluded to in your previous post.

I had to order VHS videos from the classifieds in Boxing Monthly magazines, like you did so you could watch Kessler. Although I'm assuming that you would have ordered DVD's. But back in the late 90's, obviously everything was still VHS.

The title of my video of Roy, is called: Roy Jones Jr - The A list.

I've still got it.

 

Mind Reader,

That win is so underrated.

A lot of people seem to completely overlook the fact, that Roy knocked him out with a lead uppercut.

I was absolutely shocked.

But I wasn't as shocked when he fought Glen Johnson.


That's great about your Grandpa.

Did he ever show you any basic skills when you were younger etc?


My Grandad used to box as a MW in the Navy, and he met Randolph Turpin and his brother a few times.

He was also a huge fan of Jack Dempsey's, and he visited his bar in New York.

He gave me his biography to read about 8 years ago, and I still haven't gotten around to reading it.

It was awful.

 

Loudon

I asked if you could keep the post lengths down. I havent read your long posts, please can you bullet point what you want to say and I will go over it and school you again.

Regs

Bailey

 

It seems highly unlikely.

 

Loudon, the Sky team were showing what happened between the pair FROM THEIR LAST FIGHT. this was for another Hopkins fight.

i've always known you were a liar. you watch fights on YT. but you've messed up here haven't you

"MR, so called big Roy Jones fan, you"

you assume i got DVD's from the collectors? just another predictable dig from you to mask your insecurity yet again. you try and cast yourself off as this knowledgeable poster when you're not. your true self comes through when you make these type of comments at me, so i've decided to put you to the sword.

i've double checked the Kelley fight. it's from the BBC, dipstick.

do you have recordings of the Ruiz and Kelley fights?? you've claimed you have all of Jones's fights on tape. will you get them both out to confirm they're from Sky Sports?

you claimed the Jones/Ruiz fight was huge, so you'd know exactly how you watched the fight. i mean, you claim to have watched boxing since 1988...

i do have a great memory, yes. but you've contradicted this point Loudon, because you said my memory was lousy in the past due to me being supposedly wrong about Jones and Calzaghe, but you were right. even though Serge has confirmed pretty much everything i've ever said by giving you your beloved old pieces from journalists on the Internet.

get both copies of the fights Loudon to confirm. :good

 

You know I like you as a poster, and I love our debates.

But I'm sorry, what you've wrote is complete bull****.

You're not willing to answer, then have the audacity to say that you'll school me?

Don't be ignorant mate.

If you don't want to reply to me now, you can bump the thread whenever you want.

If you're tired and can't be bothered etc, I've no problem with that.

You can bump it in three months if you want.

None of us are going anywhere.

But at least do me the courtesy of reading it.

I always respectfully read and reply to your posts, whether I agree with what you've written or not.


I'm not going to bullet anything.

Your post was also long.

I've given honest answers in reply to everything you've typed.

If my reply is long, it's only due to the fact that yours was initially.

Again, if you can't be bothered to reply, then do so another day.


But there's certainly no reason not to read what I've wrote.

I'm sure you can spare a few minutes.

 

assasin,

STOP EMBARRASSING YOURSELF!

The YouTube clip is just small snippet from the ENTIRE BROADCAST!

Don't try and tell me what I watched.

It was a double header. Check the dates.

It was live on Sky Sports.


You're such an idiot!

They weren't showing the clip for another Hopkins fight.

They showed the interview, just AFTER Hopkins had fought Carl Daniels.

WTF is wrong with you??

WTF are you talking about??

What dig??

You said that you went out of your way to watch Mikkel Kessler's fights.

I said that was cool.

I also said that I too ordered Roy's fights, like what you yourself had done to watch Kessler.

You obviously haven't even read my post. atsch

I watched the double header on Sky, and I don't give a **** what you say.

I watched it at my Mum's in 2002, because at the time, me and my ex didn't have Sky at our house.

Not anymore.

They were taped off of the TV, but I got rid of them years ago, when I used to download things off of Ares.

I've still got the videos of Roy that I ordered from Boxing Monthly, but obviously I never watch them anymore.

They're old VHS tapes, and now of course every fight is available on YouTube etc.

Can you not read?

I've told you exactly where I watched the fight.

I watched it at my friends house on SKY, the weekend after Mike Tyson fought Etienne.

I'm at a complete loss here.

You're going to have to explain to me exactly what you're trying to say.

I said your memory was wrong about the times that Joe made certain statements, and provided links to prove it.

Serge has done what?

To confirm what?


1. You've shut up about the Ruiz fight being on Sky, so your silence has confirmed I was right. (not that I needed you to confirm it)

2. You said that because Roy wouldn't face the best, they didn't show a lot of his fights on TV. So, I want to know when you viewed the fights that they didn't show?

3. I want you to see your doctor immediately, because you've completely lost the plot.

 

@ Loudon...

Embarrass myself? you're the only one who's embarrassing themselves. that snippet was taken from the Hopkins vs Joppy/ Mayorga vs Spinks/ Judah vs Rengal triple header bill that was shown Live on Sky. they just showed what happened between the pair when they did the double header with the link up from two fights ago.

the Kelley fight was on the BBC, not Sky. i looked last night to double check.

but what a coincidence, you don't have any of those recordings any more... LOL. you used to tell me with pride that you had his fights on tape and watch them regularly. but now you've changed the story once again. you're a sad act you are Boy. you lie, contradict, be a hypocrite, on a regular basis. nothing but Bull**** comes from you.

the dig was that you assumed that i got DVD's instead of video's. DVD's are newer than video's, so you're making a comment that i'm newer as a fan to boxing than you are... you know what you're doing, so don't play that **** with me, acting like you don't know what i mean.

my silence about the Ruiz fight has confirmed that you're right??? what silence you fool?

the Jones vs Ruiz fight was on setanter as a one off PPV for £5. this was before Setanter came to England as a monthly subscription channel. i watched the Hopkins vs Eastman fight this way for £5 as well.

you're full of ****!!!! you've been caught out and you're changing your story constantly. you would have known about the Ruiz fight being on Setanter if you watched it, but you didn't.

get off the forum you clown. because if you don't, i'll catch you out again and expose you and your lies.

 

assassin,

PLEASE, put your shovel down.


You are digging a bigger, more embarrassing hole for yourself, as each post goes by.


1. I watched both fights at my Mum's, because I didn't have SKY.


2. Why the f**k would SKY have shown an argument between Roy and Hopkins from Feb, 2002, ON A SHOW FROM Dec, 2003???


Ha!


Hilarious!


Just think about what you're typing.


Hopkins fought Joppy in Dec, 2003.


He fought Daniels, almost TWO YEARS EARLIER, in Feb, 2002


You're saying that they showed the snippet that I uploaded, on that Dec, 2003 telecast?


Now why when it was almost two years later, would Sky have gone back to the studio, to listen to Nicky Piper and Barry McGuigan's opinions, on what they thought would happen in a future fight between Roy and Hopkins??

When at the time, Roy had been to HW and back, and had just fought Tarver?

Ha!

Why on earth would they have shown the post fight Daniels interview from almost two years ago, on a Hopkins vs Joppy telecast?

Give it up!

Why would I have VHS recordings of fights taped off of the TV from 12 years ago, when I can watch any fight online?

The only reason I've got the one's that I ordered, is because they were labelled and I kept them in a certain place.

I could actually lay my hands on those, but I haven't got a video player, and I haven't watched them in years.

I promise you that there was no dig.

You have completely misunderstood my comment.

Again, go and read what I wrote to you.

I genuinely like to hear about guys going out of their way to find out more information on fighters.

I said that when I ordered Roy's fights, they were on VHS, because it was in the late 90's.

I knew that you wouldn't have ordered Kessler's fights on VHS, because they obviously would have been on DVD from the 00's.

I honestly respect how you've come to be a big Kessler fan.

Again, I promise there was no dig.

Just to shut you up, I've done some research.

Because I honestly cannot remember if me or my mate paid for it or not.

But it appears that we must have done.

I know for a fact that it was on Sky, with the Sky broadcasting team.

Now I've found a Jeff Powell article online from 2003, where at the bottom of his column, he'd wrote that the fight was televised on Setanta Ireland, through Sky Box Office.

So, I watched it through Sky Box Office.

I can't upload the link now, but you can have it in the morning.

 

assassin,

Look at the bottom of the column.

I ordered it through Sky Box Office.


Jeff Powell
Last updated at 00:00 01 March 2003

THE golden gates of Sin City are opening up again for Mike Tyson and, as an enriching consequence, for Lennox Lewis, too. Britain's pre-eminent world heavyweight champion is here to commentate on tonight's attempt by Roy Jones Jnr to complete his historic climb from middleweight to a heavyweight title. As Lewis picks up promoter Don King's microphone at ringside, Tyson is being invited to reapply for his licence to box in Nevada.
Las Vegas is eager to regain its status as the fight capital of the world. Jones' hazardous challenge for the WBA belt held by John Ruiz begins that campaign.The staging of the Lewis-Tyson rematch is being actively pursued as the mega-million-dollar spectacle vital not only to the image, but also to this neon city's economy.

As war looms, this gambling mecca in the Nevada desert needs the biggest events to shore up prosperity against the slump in tourism and gaming which followed September 11. In terms of sheer box-office attraction, there is nothing more magnetic than Tyson risking becoming the victim of what King calls 'potential homicide' against giant Lewis again.
Thus the Nevada commission is letting it be known that Tyson can expect a more sympathetic hearing than the one which refused to re-license the so-called 'Baddest Man On The Planet' prior to his colossal beating by Lewis last summer. The more pompous and self-righteous commission members have been replaced and Vegas is as good as ready to welcome Tyson back after his excursions to Memphis went off without a hitch. Executive director Marc Ratner said yesterday: 'The door is no longer closed but Mike does have to make application. I don't know if the commission will require a hearing, although I imagine they'll want him to appear again. But the only real question is whether he'll be willing to do that.' Nevada's commissioners understand better than most that Tyson was whipping up public interest for his comeback against Clifford Etienne with his on-off-on again antics.
Ratner said: 'None of the stuff that happened there last week bothered me. I always knew he was going to fight.

'Mike was selling the promotion and, to be absolutely honest, I wish we had him here to help sell the one this week.' Although the endeavour by Jones to become the first natural middleweight to win a heavyweight title since Cornish Bob Fitzsimmons KO'd Gentleman Jim Corbett 106 years ago is of fascination to the connoisseurs, King is having to work overtime to market this promotion to a wider audience. Caesars Palace has thrown its hat back into the boxing ring by sponsoring this fight at the Thomas and Mack Centre. But it was not alone among the then-ailing casinos, hotels and restaurants here who watched aghast as Memphis jumped at the chance to host Lewis versus Tyson and instantly generate Pounds 22million in revenue. Tyson's second fight there, last week's thunderous knock- out victory over Etienne, did Memphis no harm, either, and Tennessee would welcome Lewis-Tyson II with open arms.

Vegas, Tyson co-operating, will not give it the chance. And Iron Mike knows from personal experience how much more money is to be made by fighting in Vegas. The huge MGM Grand, on standby to lead the bidding, paid up to Pounds 19m site fees for each of the six fights which constituted Tyson's return from the penitentiary to the prize-ring. Lewis-Tyson II will be big business, whether or not it is commerce without much of a conscience. Meanwhile, Ruiz- Jones - the fight in the ring if not the brawl at the scales - is one for boxing historians and connoisseurs. Jones, although at 13st 11lb conceding the second biggest weight disadvantage in boxing history to Ruiz's 16st 2lb (Thirties giant Primo Carnera was 86lb heavier when Tommy Loughran took him the distance), remains the betting favourite. But Ruiz is riled by his challenger receiving a guaranteed $10m (Pounds 6.25m) while his purse is reliant on King successfully reaching out to the general paying public.

That resentment in the Ruiz camp ignited the punch- up between the rival trainers at yesterday's weigh-in which finished with his manager, Norman Stone, going to hospital with a cut mouth and unfounded fears that he had suffered a heart attack. Given all that extra motivation, I expect Ruiz, the honest big man, to apply enough draining physical pressure on a brilliant little man for Jones to be worn down by the ninth.

TV: live Setanta Sport pay-per-view, tomorrow 2.00am, via Sky Box Office.

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Loudon...

Sky were showing what happened between Hopkins and Roy because it was a fight that people were talking about for years. asking if they were ever going to do the rematch. when Hopkins fought on Sky, they talk about which fights should be happening and what not. they do this with every fighter and which future opponents people want to see them in there with.

this WAS from the Hopkins/Joppy bill. Hopkins had only fought Hakkar since that double header with Jones, and they never showed the Hakker fight. that fight was on Setanter for £5.

what the hell are you talking about????? Setanter and Sky Box Office are two completely different organizations. i ordered the Jones fight through my remote, but it had nothing to do with Sky. it had American commentators like we get with Boxnation fights sometimes. so it didn't have the Sky panel like you said at all.

 

Delete.

 

that would be for the best, yes.

in fact, that's the best post you've ever made.