Did Calzaghe avoid Ottke like the plague?

then anything could be bullshitt.

all your praise for clazgahe can be claased as bull**** by your method. Anything on this forum told in good faith can be bull**** for you.


to be fair, extending posts about cowardzaghe (ie one semi-welsh guy) to mean I hate all welsh people is pretty extremist from you, which is why I ignore such insanity. You ought to admit that's insane, but no I don't think that's going to happen, seeing as you are the one making the cabsurd claim.

SO you are welcome to your claim. good luck with it.

 

bailey,

It was a lightly regarded title.

I can appreciate that everyone has a different opinion. But from the people I spoke to, and the interviews that I read and listened to etc, the WBO wasn't respected, the SMW division was perceived as weak, and Joe wasn't popular Stateside.

I also agree than for the most part, Bernard's MW reign was weak.

If I say a division is weak, you come back at me with stats to try and prove otherwise.

But like I always say to you, statistics don't allow for circumstances.


Joe was too good to be defending the WBO against the likes of Sobot etc in the late 90's.

That's why he gets criticism for rematching Veit.

We know that at the time he had no choice. It was either fight or get stripped.

But the point is, he shouldn't have been still defending the WBO at SMW back then.

He should have been up at LHW trying to fight the likes of Tarver in bigger fights, for more recognition.

You always get defensive, but I'm paying Joe a huge compliment.

If he hadn't been as great as he was, nobody would have given a **** that he defended the WBO 20 odd times.

But he gets criticised, because he should have been fighting for the the major belts.

If you're a big name, nobody really cares about the title.

But if you're not, it's more important.

But Joe was in a position where he wasn't a big name, and he wasn't fighting for a major title.

Which meant that he wasn't a big name on a global scale.

Naz was brash, and he went to the U.S. and made waves.

Joe was equally as good, if not better, yet he was relatively unknown.

I can assure you, that the Ring Magazine was highly respected in the 90's, and they definitely had no rating systems for the WBO. They didn't recognise it at all.

I'm not waffling.

I said that in 2004, just before he fought Mkrtchyan, Joe said he wanted bigger fights for more recognition, and he wanted to fight in the U.S. at LHW.

He said there was nothing else to achieve, and he was confident that his speed would give him a huge advantage over most of the guys at the weight.

Those were his own words.


Now you've asked the question "why should he have gone up, when Lacy and Kessler were there?"

But again, they'd hardly done anything at that point.

If they'd have been on his mind, he obviously wouldn't have said that he'd nothing else to achieve at the weight.

Think about what I'm saying.

There is no waffle.

Joe spoke of going up, and then changed his mind.


He fought Mkrtchyan in Feb, 2004.

At that point, Jeff Lacy had only fought 16 times, and had no major title.

Kessler had fought 32 times, and had won the vacant WBC International belt.


So both of those fighters at that point, had no major title between them, and had beaten nobody of note.


Yes, we know that both fighters went on to pick up major titles, and we know that Joe went on to beat them both in great fights.

But unless Joe is psychic, he couldn't have known what was going to happen.

That's why you can't just dismiss him not fighting Tarver, by saying "So what if he didn't fight him? He beat Bernard who thrashed him."

Joe didn't know in 2004, that Bernard was going to go up to LHW in 2006 to thrash Tarver, and then sign to fight him in 2008.


The fact is, Joe said he wanted bigger fights and recognition in 2004, only to change his mind.

Again, as we all know, things turned out great for him.

Nobody knows what would have happened if he'd have moved to LHW in 2004.

He might not have been classed as the greatest SMW of all time, had he moved up, you're right.

But he may have had a better career, and he may have gained more respect and recognition.

He could have been a two weight champ. He could have unified the LHW division.

He could have fought Tarver, Johnson and Hopkins earlier.

Who knows?


But you can't tell me that after Mkrtchyan, he changed his mind to fight Lacy and Kessler, when at the time, they'd both done nothing.

If Joe knew what was going to happen, I'll send him a message on Twitter and ask him to pick out my lottery numbers.


Simply put, Joe's ambition didn't match his great skills.

 

he/shes asking you to answer.


you answered by asking why he hasn't answered.

 

joe lovers to fight lots of weaklings and legends who have turned 40something, this is a fact.

where are the non weaklings as a majority on his reusme?
where are the legends who are not 40something?

facts.

and thus we know that joe had great longevity, stayed in great shape till mid thirties, and was pretty good, but we will never know if he was really great since he never tried to be.

 

Wrong again.
You really are a pointless poster, but still to daft to know that, that is not answering Assasins question.
You are so boring.
Run along.

 

says the guy who quotes posts and then don't answer them so he can run away from answering.

 

I reply to every post in order, so I've only just seen your question.

But why have you asked me this?

Ha!

You make me laugh.

I really do miss your posts when you have a break from the forum.


We've discussed how great Frank W's cards were in the 90's. We discussed it last year.

I'm from Sheffield. I live less than 5 miles away from the arena.

In 1997, The Full Monty film was huge.

You don't need to ask me silly questions.


Naz topped the bill, but to be honest, I can't remember who he fought. I know Ryan Rhodes was on the card too. They were really close friends back then, and Rhodes looked to be going places.


Did you ever watch Naz's VHS videos, License to thrill and Natural born thriller?

I bought both of those, as well as a video titled 'The Brit pack'


The 90's were great.

 

Good start, now give me a few of the names from the 90s/early00s that had followings but never made it and I do mean names that many may have forgotten, but a fan following around that time would still remember like Ady Lewis etc

 

:good

 

Ha!

More questions to prove I'm not a casual.

Brilliant.

I don't know if they had followings, but I can remember watching and looking out for guys such as Pele Reid, Anthony Farnell, Adrian Stone, David Starie etc.

I was a big fan of 'The Battersea Bomber' Howard Eastman. I used to love all of the behind the scenes footage of him with his birds.

I used to watch all of Brendan Ingle's fighters and I used to like Herbie Hide.

Outside of the U.K. I can remember enjoying Keith Holmes and thinking he was underrated, especially by the Sky pundits when he fought over here on a Frank W card.

Anyone who reads my threads and my posts, and takes how into account how many posts I've made within a short space of time, will clearly see that I'm not a casual.

I'm now sat am my laptop wondering why I've had to explain myself to you. Ha!

 

People would know those fighters, but I am after names of fighters who had followings, big or small and never fought for world titles, so a litle less obvious, like Ady Lewis who I noted or maybe Noel Wilders, so who can you recall?

 

I doubt many people would have watched the likes of Adrian Stone and Pele Reid.

I've been a member on here for two years and I don't think I've seen Keith Holmes' name mentioned.

Anyway, I'm not going to keep dancing to your tune.

You can believe what you want.

I'm going to reply to your other posts.

 

I mentioned Holmes in this thread!

Pele is known for the KO of Vitali before they were boxing and Stone for facing Mosely, so they were known.
do you not remember Ady Lewis, Noel Wilders?