Did Jack Johnson benefit from being born at the right time?

Let me get this straight.
I reply to Cael who had repeated the same inaccuracies you often have ,judging by your past posts.

I corrected two of his statements.

Namely, that Langford was green he was NOT, he had over 50 fights under his belt. Cael said Langford weighed 150lbs ,he did NOT, he weighed 156lbs.
Both of his assertions are wrong, [he probably got them from you],and are easily proved to be so


You respond on his behalf?

Talking about something I did not even mention ie, Sam McVey, and Joe Jeannette ?

Then, you call me by another name.
I think you need a rest from this forum it is getting to you big time.
Take it easy.:hi:

 

I believe Johnson avoided Langford . YES.
Langford would have been his most dangerous challenger.
I believe Johnson ,at the top of his game beats Langford ,at the top of his,But Johnson was never at the top of his game after he humiliated Jeffries, anything less than prime ,and Sam would have been the new king ,imo.

Johnson avoided Sam for two reasons, imo .One was financial the other was he well knew what kind of shape he would have to be in to retain his title against the" Little Smoke".You could add a third ,I suppose he detested Langford and his feeling was heartily reciprocated by Sam.
I do not believe Johnson was worried about facing Jeannette or McVey .
Such matches might have made money in Paris but not in the US ,as Barney Curley often stated.

Nothing, either man had shown against Jack gave him any cause for doubts
about his ability to handle either of them ,it was financial imo.

Jeannette was not Johnson's superior as a defensive boxer ,neither did he carry his power.
Mcvey got thoroughly thrashed the three times he faced Johnson ,the last time when he was older ,and stronger[ 20] , he was beaten stupid, and kod in the last rd.

Johnson could make good money, toying with gallumphing white hopes, in contests for which only decent condition was sufficient ,and he was often not even in that.

I believe Smith would have received a comprehensive thrashing from Johnson,and, I beleive he knew it.

After beating Wells ,Smith was asked when he would be facing Johnson ?
He did not answer, and the questioner repeated the query twice more before the iirritated Smith said, "Johnson will wait ,and the longer he waits the better."

Smith was a huge fan of Johnson's abilities, and knew what he would be facing.

Smith had a purple patch of 1 year, he got Moran and Willard at the right time. One was still facing run of the mill fighters ,the other was green , he also received a dubious decision over Langford which some think was a handcuff job.
Smith never campaigned for a shot at Johnson , and I think he was wise.

 

Jeffries held the misguided beleif that he was protecting boxing by drawing the colour line. Given the fallout from his eventual fight with Johnson, you can understand how he might have thought that.

Now it is plausible that he might have noticed Jack Johnsons potential before everybody else did and decided that this might have been a good one to steer clear of, but does anybody realy think that he was afraid of Denver Ed Martin, Frank Childs and George Byers?

 

He certainly noticed Johnson's potential when Jack knocked his brother silly, and Jeffries had to pick him up , while Johnson said, straight to his face, " I can lick you too."

I think he was mortally afraid of losing his title to a black man, namely, JACK JOHNSON.
His ex manager, Biily Delaney confirmed this , just prior to his fight with Johnson in Reno.

" The mention of Johnson's name, sends cold shivers up and down Mr Jeffries spine."
"He never wanted any of Johnson's game."
"When I was with Jeffries, merely mentioning the black man's name was like casting a pail of cold water , in Jeffries's face."

 

You have to wonder if he would have felt that way in his prime about a green Jack Johnson.

 

In 1904 ,when Jeffries put away the inept Munroe ,Johnson was the STANDOUT CHALLENGER FOR JEFFRIES TITLE.
TRUE OR FALSE?

 

True.

Your point being?

 

Was Munroe ready for Jeffries?atsch

Jeffries last fight as Champion was against no hoper Munroe ,that was in August 1904. The bout between Johnson and Hart was in March 1905 .
Time scales.
Johnson was the standout challenger for Jeffries in 1904.
True or False ?

 

Jeffries ducked Johnson.
Now who's next, is it you, or your partner.
I get confused between you.

 

On what do you base this? Please clarify your meaning , and explain the thought behind it.

 

I don't know who you are but this is a good post.