Did James Jeffries retire too soon?

:rofl

 

I left out Johnsons ko over Martin in2 rounds 1904. I read the Jeanette result Johnson w Jeanette 3 rounds as a stoppage an honest mistake.

 

Yes, the source is a French News paper. Unfortunately I do not have it here to repost. The fight was scheduled for 20 rounds. The match was dull. Johnson claimed to hurt his arm and retired in the 10th frame. The judges were split on what to do. One judge had Battling Jim in the lead; the other two had it even.

I hear what you’re saying. Most fighters did not have a rosy path to the top. At the same time regardless of the circumstances, the one thing a fighter always controls is his own actions in the ring. What we can look at is the actual matched that happened, which is what I was doing here.

 

Why are you laughing? Did you know that this is well documented that Haines was down for over two minutes and the ref counted slowly for him to get up? I'm not making this up. It's documented and on the records.:good

 

Read Unforgiveable Blackness. It's all there. Johnson Knocked him down for more than two minutes, and Haines wanted to stay there and be counted out, but the ref was hesitant, because Haines was the house fighter and Johnson was the visitor. So after about two minutes of the ref counting "2 1/4, 2 3/8, 2 1/2", he got up and fought on. Then Johnson being underfed and only trained for a couple of days got fatigued and knocked down. He also had a long-count, but the ref decided to finish the count after about 1½ minutes or so.:good

 

Laugh it up you clowns, but you can't laugh at documented history.:good

 

That´s exactly the point. You say we should read Johnson´s biography (although I have it yet), and you said it´s historical well-known, it´s just a biography, nothing more, damn, he could have said he shot a dragon in the wood and you nuthugger would believe it...

 

So you're saying that the book is nothing but a fabricated lie?

 

No, don´t contort words again. I just meant, that a biography is just a biography. Whether, if it´s Marciano´s, Ali´s, Jeffries, Johnson´s, etc., I mean in a bio a fighter describe one of his close fights always as a robbery against him, that´s nothing new. It´s not always so, but you sound like everything is in Johnson´s biography is correct and inviolable...

 

I am SURE JJJ did not have 20 fights. These early guys have ALOT of unregistered fights.

The way I look at it when assessing them is - as much good as bad can come from finding out about more fights.

JJJ retired at the right time but I'm sure he pulled a Marciano and had loads of build up fights. I'd venture a guess at 30 unregistered bouts.

 

I'm talking about the first Haines fight. The book claims Klondike was down for over two minutes. So it's either he was or he wasn't, no speculation there. Are you saying that the book is lying, that Haines wasn't down at all, and that he didn't get the benefit of an extremely long count?

 

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He don´t understand what I meant, can please someone explain it to him? I´m going now, bye Clay!

 

He did shoot a dragon. See page 239 of unforgivable blackness. Seriously, I have never heard of a long count in the Klondike Haines fight. When Johnson gives his testimonials, take it with a grain of salt.



I have read most of Unforgivable blackness. The book points out that Johnson claims to have knocked Griffin down too, but states, no one else saw it!