Did Lara run

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by uranage, Jul 13, 2014.


  1. Kush

    Kush Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Which one?
     
  2. Manfred

    Manfred Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Lara was hurting Canelo's ass. He **** Canelo so sharp and hard in one round that I though Canelo was gonna cry. He had that frustrated and helpless look in his face. That's why when he did get a chance at Lara's body he tried to knock his guts out because that was his only shot, the thing about that is that Lara never wilted or seemed affected by those shots. Your body is expected to get hit but your head is the pime target and considered a higher point value because it's movable and more vulnerable. It's like putting your king in check.
     
  3. Stylez G.

    Stylez G. Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    How do you figure? Where is that in the rule book?
     
  4. progamer

    progamer Boxing Junkie banned

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    smoger was the one puching drainelo in the face repeatedly.:good
     
  5. Manfred

    Manfred Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You didn't hear me quote any rule book. That's boxing 101. Now that you brought that up I will pull up the scoring criteria and have look at it. I'll get back and if I'm wrong I'll admit it.
     
  6. ElCyclon

    ElCyclon Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yeah, it was Smoger who cut Lara's eye and left his face all bruised.

    *******s:lol:
     
  7. Hookie

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    The fight was close and could have went either way. 115-113 either way or 114-114. 117-111 didn't make sense to me. Alvarez landed a lot to the body and we should all know by now that bodyshots get overlooked unless you drop a guy with one or at least make him wince... then it's called a low blow half the time.

    Lara had his trunks pulled up to his chin and had the nerve to complain about low blows.

    Lara is a good fighter but he is not a crowd pleaser.

    I will give credit where it is due. Lara was hard to hit clean. He did get hit a lot in the body but he took it well. Alvarez did land some clean punches up top as well, he did cut Lara with a nice uppercut. Lara was unable to hurt Alvarez. Some people are saying how Alvarez was unable to really hurt Lara to the body... well Lara was unable to hurt Alvarez at all.

    Let Lara win his next fight then he should get a rematch with Alvarez. In the meantime maybe ALvarez can fight Kirkland, Andrade isn't ready yet. I really would like to see Alvarez fight Cotto at 160.
     
  8. Hookie

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    Whitaker was until he got older, Camacho was more so though. The others mentioned were not runners in my opinion, they could do anything they wanted in the ring vs. most men they faced (in their prime).
     
  9. Stylez G.

    Stylez G. Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I don't think boxing 101 dictates that head shots count more than body shots. Head shots though are easier for the fans to score.
     
  10. Manfred

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    Like I said, I never was quoting from a rule book but I did pull it up as I'm sure you did too. A body punch is considered just as good as a head shot if it is a clean shot however it is subjective and depends on the judges scoring the fight and what they consider priority blows. So as long as they stay within the criteria of Clean punching, effective aggressiveness, ring generalship, and defense they are free to interpret the fight any dam way they please. Especially if it's close. It boils down to their opinion and I feel that their opinion is no better than mine. Still, I called that wrong and was only stating my opinion which I think is pretty dam good and fair. That being said, I know an ass whoopin when I see one and there is no judge that will make me reject the evidence of my own mind.
     
  11. Stylez G.

    Stylez G. Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Your mind has the ability to play tricks on you. Sometimes you have to step outside your own opinion and look at the entire landscape.

    There where no KDs, no one was really even staggered. Neither fighter sustained much damage, and neither fighter landed many punches. The result was a SD. The fans and the ringside observers were all over the place with their scorecards. A good amount of people scored it for both fighters, as well as a draw. Slightly more people scored it for Alvarez.

    If you objectively look at the entire landscape, this fight was a close affair where a draw or either guy winning was acceptable. I don't see any objective evidence pointing to anyone getting their ass whooped.
     
  12. TinFoilHat

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    It's almost like he was thinking:

    "Ok, I landed 4 punches and he hasn't touched me yet. I will just stall the rest of the round now like in the Amauters."

    landing 1 extra punch per round while you are the runner does NOT make you the winner of a fight.
     
  13. Manfred

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    My mind don't play tricks on me and neither do judges. I know what I saw. Yeah, it was a close scoring fight but the fight wasn't that close. The actual heartbreaking punches and humiliation were being brought to bear by Lara. Not only did I look at the entire landscape, I looked underneath the landscape and it don't look good. Everybody has an opinion and I have mine and it won't be traded for somebody else's. As you know, for every action there is a reaction and if you watch Canelo's face after the fifth round when Lara would tag him with them combos you could see the pain and the growing realization etched in his face that he was getting his ass kicked and there was nothing he could do about it. Those two rounds of body punching were a last ditch effort. They got him back in the fight but in my opinion, they didn't win it for him by a long shot. Now we can agree to disagree but that's about it.
     
  14. Winger

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    I saw some geezer on a facebook account in the comments section for a Canelo-Lara article saying Lara won because Canelo "wasn't doing real boxing, he was just punching his body, not his head".

    I laughed at that but it's sad to see it on a boxing forum. I've seen 10+ different people on this forum say that crap. I guarantee you will change your mind about body shots "not counting" if you experience them on the receiving end. These guys are pros who train to make it look like it didn't hurt, until they can't take it any more and roll around on the ground screaming.
     
  15. uranage

    uranage Well-Known Member Full Member

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    What size was the ring?