Did Shogun Ever Explain What Happened In The Jones Fight?

So I take it that you're going to (yet again) ignore the fact that the version of Shogun you claim was in his peak form was actually injured and coming off of a surgery that he had very little time to recover from?

This isn't even about Jones. It's about the farcical excuses that people make for Shogun when he's struggled in fights.

 

I don't think you can compare the style of Coleman and Lyoto either, but I know you can compare the fact that Lyoto is superb and that version of Coleman was ****. A full-fitness Rua would've chopped down old Coleman with much greater ease than he did, style issue be damned.

I'm not fooled by thrashing Forrest, I know Rua isn't full sharpness yet, Griffin just played into Shogun's hands, and Shogun doesn't need to be in peak condition to still have heavy hands and killer instinct.

 

All I do is look at the evidence staring me straight in the face. Rua fought for 5 high-intensity, high-concentration, physically and mentally draining rounds against Machida. Rua looked terrible against Mark Coleman. I could go on. The evidence stares you guys straight in the face, but because of some ****ing weird agenda, maybe to do with Pride maybe to do with Shogun I don't know I don't understand it at all, you'd say black was white rather than acknowledge that evidence. I don't get it at all.

 

What weird agenda would that be? Fact are facts. "Peak Shogun" in the second Machida fight was coming off of surgery and had a busted knee. How can you claim that he was in his top form when he was injured?

And the first fight against Machida was a moderately paced scrap that was largely contested on the feet, not the grueling back and forth battle that you are making it out to be. Let's see what happens when Shogun gets taken down repeatedly, held there and has to try to work off of his back for more than 2 or 3 rounds.

 

The guy doesn't bounce back very well from long lay-offs due to injury/surgery, and takes a couple of fights to get back to something approaching full fighting fitness/sharpness.

How unbelievably "farcical" a point of view that is.


You MMA Forum drama queens never fail to make me smile. I couldn't think of anything less farcical than the above point about Rua if I tried.

 

What I meant by that was Lyoto, Chuck and Forrest all stayed at range, gave this slower version of Rua time to pick his shots, wear them down, and finish the fight

Coleman, Jones and FG 1, they all went forward, got in his face, roughed him up with clinch work and wrestling, and Shogun looked like **** and gassed extremely badly

Talk about what a full fitness Shogun would do all you want, but this is what actually happened. It's getting like the ''Fedor was shot'' malarkey.

2011 Shogun need to change up his style, become more active and stay out of the pocket against Jones. He wont unfortunately

 

I think that in 2011, the MMA Forum has collectively changed its style to "every fighter is 100% in every fight no matter the circumstances, his age, or ANY other factor no matter what it is."

 

I take it that you are going to continue ignore the simple question that I've repeatedly posed to you?

 

Or how about ''Every fighter isnt at 100% when he he faces a strong wrestler who can drain the energy with clinch work and surprisingly they look much fresher when facing someone with a more passive style like Chuck and Lyoto or is just plain scared like FG''

C'mon man, is there really any need to get petulant because I disagree with you? Ive acknowledged the surgeries have taken their toll. But no matter how much time he has between fights, he'll never be the PRIDE Shogun ever again. His body just cant do the same things anymore

 

I don't understand what you are after. As I say, I acknowledge the evidence which stares me straight in the face. Shogun fought brilliantly for 5 rounds in the first Machida fight, and fought brilliantly for as long as the rematch lasted. I don't really know what it is that you want? Because Shogun's power meant he finished Machida early in spite of some injury you have come up with, means what exactly? That he was in absolutely peak, tip-top fighting condition for every other fight he has ever had, including Jones?

 

So you really think that Rua's dire performance against Mark Coleman had more to do with shot Coleman's wrestling prowess than it did with Rua turning up in **** shape for the fight? I just do not agree with that at all - at all.

 

Bit of both, and it will continue to do so whenever he faces a strong guy who can take him down or tie him up. Add into that Jones reach advantage and I dont see a rematch going to differently if Shogun continues to fight the way he is

 

Injuries that I've come up with?

Here's a link to the interview on ESPN's MMA Live immediately after UFC 113 where Shogun and his camp talk about the appendectomy:

http://www.mmaconvert.com/2010/05/09/espn-mma-live-ufc-113-post-fight-extra-show/

I also thought that it was common knowledge that he had the third surgery on his knee to repair the damage that present after his second fight with Machida. If there wasn't an injury, why do you think that he had surgery and went through extensive rehabilitation? Because he was bored? :rofl

I ask you again. How could Shogun be in "top form" in the second Machida fight when everybody involved claims otherwise?

 

The 1st Machida fight, Lyoto did his usual move in-1/2 combo-move out tactics and was caught coming into the pocket with punches. Shogun was able to block or absorb these punches and caught LM moving out with body kicks and that severely hampered his movement. Thus Shogun landed more, and Lyoto landed less due to being caught and worn down physically as the fight went deeper.

He decided to stay in the pocket a little longer in the 2nd fight and throw more combos with more power hoping to force Shogun back and take the initiative to remedy the problems he faced in the 1st match and got GTFO for his trouble

 

What happened was that he got kneed in the face within the first ten seconds, got taken down and beat up for a minute or two, kicked in the face and drilled with a ****ing Mortal Kombat combo, rinse, repeat until he was KOed.

The guy's conditioning had nothing to do with it. Had he been in tip-top shape he still would've eaten the flying knee. He still wouldn't have been able to stop the takedown or sweep a huge wrestler with that sort of base from half guard, and he still would have gotten worked in the clinch. The only thing is that it might not have been AS brutally one-sided, but I even doubt that.