Did these guys have any weaknesses?

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  1. Eye of Timaeus

    Eye of Timaeus Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Mike McCallum
    Archie Moore
    Fighting Harada
    Ruben Olivares
    Muhammad Ali
    Carlos Monzon
    James Toney
     
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    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Devon Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Toney and McCallum both had weaknesses against movers and Toney also could be outworked
     
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    klompton2 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Moore didnt like movers. Ali relied too much on his physical gifts and didnt have great fundamentals.
     
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  5. Bronze Tiger

    Bronze Tiger Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ali was not a hard puncher ....this is coming from his opponents mouths
     
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    Try telling Cleveland Williams that !!!
     
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    Xplosive Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Too lazy tonight to go through all of them, but yes, all had weaknesses.

    Despite having the dullest style of anyone on the list, Monzon had the least weaknesses of anyone on the list.
     
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    Bujia Well-Known Member Full Member

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    This. If Monzon had weaknesses, nobody was ever able to take advantage of them.
     
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    All were boring???
     
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    Bujia Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Harada and Olivares?
     
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    Toney F*** U Boxing junkie Full Member

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    Do you mean they struggled with a certain styles and attributes of their opponents or flaws in the way they fought
     
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    Devon Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Woah woah woah, Ali had some of the best fundamentals ever, he showed that in the second half of his career when he no longer had the physical gifts he showed it against Frazier in the second fight, and Foreman he showed his smarts
     
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    Bujia Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Ali was training various different fundamentals and tactics all throughout his career. You can see him practicing a rudimentary version of the rope-a-dope in sparring as early as ‘61 or ‘62. He was getting his mind ready to take over for when his body started to go. These are the main types of things he worked on in sparring, period. He knew the importance of this kinda thing early on.

    I wish Roy took a page out of his book.
     
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    I disagree, he moved his head back from punches and did not try to slip them,he jabbed with his right hand out of position,he seldom punched to the body.Great physical gifts but not great fundamentals.
     
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    Even though Moore didn't like movers, he always found a way to win to be fair to him.
     
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