Didn't Winky prove he was better p4p than Hopkins?

116 - 112 to Hopkins.

BUT...


What a **** fight!

Winky shouldn't have gone up that much in weight. He looked absolute ****. Jab was slow, hell everything was slow. He did't need to do it i IMO.

 

A rematch on this will never happen because. . .

. . . first of all no promoter would gamble their money to make it happen . . . after the boring first fight? :yep

. . . second Winky should be rematching Taylor not Bhops.

 

i had hopkins up 116-113 and Hopkins had been quite inactive leading up to the fight and was 42 so its quite level on advanteges right ?

 

Maybe Scientist can lead me to a clear round that Winky won, because I just could'nt find it......

Hopkins took away Winky's jab with his lateral movement, and when Winky got close enough, Hopkins smuthered Winky's jab.

I think I can count in one hand the clean effective shots Winky landed.

Hopkins certainly did'nt put up a domintating performance, but imo outdid Winky in every round.
Hopkins imo hit winky with much harder and more effective shots round after round.
......you mentioned earlier Scientist that neither fighter was much effective.....I disagree, I thought Hopkins shots took their toll on Winky and Winky began to look the more for wear as the rounds went by.
Winky weakened and Hopkins got stronger.
The very last round Winky was even rocked and stunned.

I'm baffled by anybody having this fight anywhere close to a draw.....
.....on what basis????
.....Solely based on defense and crediting Winky for putting his hands at a high guard and tucking his shoulders??????


Winky's offense was plum ineffective, and Hopkins in comparison was quite more effective.
Hopkins wore down Winky Wright and got better with each passing round!

 

Winky deserves credit for that but better than Hopkins?, no way. Hopkins did the very same when he fought Tarver and he was 41 years old when he did so, unlike Winky. I know that Hopkins fought at Light Heavyweight once before that, it was his first fight as a pro and he lost it.

 

Round 1!

Now get lost, or discuss the thread topic!

 

Took the words right out of my mouth Am...:good

 

No.

Firstly, he lost.

Secondly, his prime weight is only 6 pounds below Xs and when he was in his prime at 154 he was drying out a pretty number.

He is definitely naturally smaller than X but proved just how gifted he is. He is VERY strong. He looked like the same Winky. Of course he wouldn't be 100% the same version but that X is NOT the same version from 7 years ago.

I believe Winkys workrate was lower (if you believe this) because of Xs work. He made Wright hesitant to throw because he was missing so damn much.

X took away his jab and broke through his defence. He exposed the few flaws there are in Winky i.e. showing his jab by lifting his elbow up, balance issues, overextending and ultimately showed he isn't particularly dynamic.

A young X at 160 would put so much heat on him and for 12 rounds that it would be a very clear 8-4 type fight.

 

No he didn't

 

Winky's still the man. Some pussies in this game don't get it. If you got skills, make good fights and lose respectably you will still be marketable and respected.

 

You're enamored with the defensive part of the game.....in this instance, Hopkins being unable to land as clearly or as effective as he's done in the past with other opponents.

.....but you still have to look at each fighters offense and who is being more effective with it.

Without question Hopkins was offensively being more effective than Winky in landing with landing harder more telling shots.....

As far as I can see, you're looking at it from the point of view that Hopkins is'nt breaking through Winky's defense as he's done in the past vs others, totally forgetting to look at Hopkins sound defense as well, and looking at how effective Winky's offense was.....which imo was attrocious.

Talk about ring generalship in this fight, Wright was blindly following Hopkins and having a hard time keeping his balance in the process.
He never pumped the jab in multiples because it was'nt there for him to do so.
Hopkins took that away from him and in essense took away the only effective weapon Wright is customarily effective with.

Hopkins in the process threw his 3 or four good shots a round (mainly right hands) on the inside and did some work to Winky's body.

Again, not many if any fighters are going to look great offensively vs Winky in that he has a great high guard defense, but Hopkins cracked Winky enough times per round to merit more credit than Winky, who imo was completely ineffective in everything he tried offensively.

When you point to punchstats, which I hate to do, they're pretty equal in the punches landed dept......knowing that, who landed the harder shots clean and otherwise??????

To me that was Hopkins by a landslide in both depts.....and its why Hopkins won by the lopsided scores rendered!

 

I've got this tape right in front of me, whenever you have the time let me know and give me 2 or 3 of what you think are Winky's best rounds.

From what I saw, only the first 3 or 4 rounds could be mistaken for Winky rounds......it all went slowly down hill for Wright from there.


The weight may have had something to do with how terribly sloppy Wright looked......but do you honestly think that it was the added weight and not Hopkins that completely took away Wrights jab???


Hopkins is a great fighter, no doubt.....but he has'nt terribly impressed me to the depths that others in this forum have been impressed by him.

.....but I have to give the man his credit. Hopkins is a true student of the game.
He does his homework and goes about and sticks to a gameplan that will benefit him regardless of if it makes him look spectacular or not.

42 years old and coming out stronger than Wright who is 7 years his Jr.
I've got to respect what Hopkins brought to the table vs Wright.
The type of fight Hopkins and Wright fought with Hopkins using his legs to lateral Wright and then spinning Wright when he got close takes its toll on an old fighters legs, then you have the grappling that went on that is always taxing on a fighter.
You would think that a 42 year old could'nt stand up to that type of wear.....but Hopkins came out the better more fresher fighter.
That has got to be respected!