Do you think "running" should be disqualifiable?

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  1. alexthegreatmc

    alexthegreatmc Sound logic and reason. You're welcome! Full Member

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    That's the problem that needs to be fixed :p
     
  2. GloriaAblaze

    GloriaAblaze Active Member Full Member

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    More often then not they're forced into agreeing, the guy who brings the money decides the ring size, that's fair? Don't tell me "Oh he can just decline if he doesn't like it", you know that's a BS copout answer.

    Ok, but you just said there's nothing wrong with what Ingemar is doing, and now you're saying he's too quick to pull the plug when before you were saying this is just boxing, it's a legitimate style and these guys should get nothing for fighting like this.
     
  3. KO KIDD

    KO KIDD Loyal Member Full Member

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    I mean if you look at it from other sports perspectives

    Say the New England Patriots got to the Super Bowl last yr and said screw it, we wanna play at home we had better TV ratings we have more titles we make more money we wanna play in Foxboro or no game then Seattle says no way. The Patriots call up Green Bay and Green Bay is ecstatic to go from out of the big dance to back in just if they concede everything

    I know A side B side is very prevalent but the top of the heap is a lot narrower now and the big fights seem to thru one or two guys at a given time and its expected that everyone else has to kind of surrender everything
     
  4. des3995

    des3995 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yep. Tactical advantages should not be negotiated.
     
  5. des3995

    des3995 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Huh?

    I;m saying the ref was trigger happy, pulled the plug too soon. The ref should have let the fight play out rather than intercede and declare a winner based on 2 minutes of action. Johannson would have either have to change his gameplan or would have lost on the cards. Or he could have won, who knows. Point is, the ref didn't give him a chance to establish himself, or employ a strategy, if he had one.
     
  6. icarus1

    icarus1 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    yes. boxing cannot materialize when the players run or avoid engaging so the players should be warned up to point deduction then disqualification. it is a combative sport so the objective is clearly to get points only by engaging and making a good hit, damage, kd or ko.
     
  7. GloriaAblaze

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    Yeah but the way you worded it saying "too soon" made it sound like you believe the ref should have done anything at all (but was just quick about it) so let's be clear, you think the ref should have stayed out of it (completely that is)?
     
  8. mafioso

    mafioso Well-Known Member Full Member

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    khan should never have been alowed to run for 3 rounds against maidana :patsch

    i mean he was litteraly running around the ring for his life
     
  9. des3995

    des3995 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Based on what I saw, yes.

    Unless there was some kind of mandate from the olympic body.
     
  10. GloriaAblaze

    GloriaAblaze Active Member Full Member

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    If you legitimately believe that this is fine then all I can say is we can only agree to disagree, the referee was absolutely right in doing what he did, Ingemar was "fighting" like a disgrace.
     
  11. des3995

    des3995 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    We saw 2 whole minutes of a fight, yes?

    Who knows how the rest would have unfolded.

    The ref does not have to control every minute of the action. Yeah Johannson did absolutely nothing up until that point. I think the disgrace was that the fight was not allowed to unfold because of a ref sticking his nose in when it didn't belong. Maybe it was his 1950s sensibilities.

    We've seen worse stretches in the beginnings, middles, and ends of any number of fights. While it might not make them enjoyable, we should allow the fighters to do their thing in the ring, and let the chips fall where they may.
     
  12. GloriaAblaze

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    Yeah what a disgrace that he stopped us from seeing anymore of that garbage, he gave him a chance to fight and he chose not to so he got DQ'd. Fair play to the ref. If you're in a boxing ring not to fight, but to run and hold, you don't belong in it. Simple.

    If this was what happened every time one of these guys decided to do a runner guess what? We'd be seeing less of it, it wouldn't be used as a tactic anymore. And whoever you can think of who does this, they would still be able to box, they wouldn't have to turn into brawlers, they'd just have to take some risk in getting hit rather than negate all chance of it by getting on their bicycle, so we may even see more skill and more defense from them in a manner that is actually aesthetic.
     
  13. GloriaAblaze

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    He didn't need to run.
     
  14. des3995

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    And you don't think that the complexion of the fight might have changed, being that Johannson ended up showing his chops by becoming a HW champ? Might he not been able to get going in that fight? Yes, it was within his grasp to change his tactics after the warning, and for that he doesn't escape all blame, but still.......

    It isn't for the ref to dictate a fighter's strategy, if within the rules. Maybe the olympics had a different set of rules, I can't say.

    I am not defending running (but there is a fine line between running and moving, and keeping distance). I am defending a fighter's right to do so if he thinks that it affords him the best chance to win. In a sport like boxing, you are in direct competition with another individual.

    Long range strategies, and in ring activity are both things that may lead a fighter to be perceived as running. I am not a fan of it, but sometimes it needs to be done. You want the W or L to be decided strictly based on a ref's judgement of when HE thinks a fighter should be engaging or not engaging? He's not protecting the fighters, he's not ensuring that there are no fouls...... he is declaring a winner, based on his preference, his judgment.

    How do we know that Johannson wasn't hurt by one of those early shots from Sanders? It was the 1st round, no? Fights often have feeling out rounds. In this day and age a ref would get mauled by the fans and media for doing that, and as well they should. Back then, who knows.
     
  15. des3995

    des3995 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    True, and not everyone is a Pep or Whitaker or Mayweather either.