Do you think there should be two HW divisions?

No, there should not be two heavyweight divisions.

If they create a Super Heavyweight division, however, it should start from 250 pounds.

 

Ok. 10% of Wlads body is more mass then 10% of Pacs. I got ya. :good I still disagree with everyone on this thread and hope you all go to hell, but I understand what your saying :yep

 

All it would do is further dilute an already sparse division & further dilute boxing overall. Both divisions would lack integrity & what little glamour that is left in our supposed banner division would be lost.

 

Sure, size matters. But then Welterweight should also be divided in two because Paul Williams fights there?. Joe Dempsey fought at or around 190 lbs most of his career. Rocky Marciano fought at or around 185-190. With the all ready small talent, what would dividing it in two not do? All would be lost if there was a 'super heavyweight division', the main tradition of the sport is heavyweight. Why wreck that by creating super heavyweights?

 

First of all if Marciano was around in the 90s or even today he wouldn't be Heavyweight Champ, maybe a titlist, definitely not undefeated. Most likely he'd be the greatest cruiserweight ever, but he would've had to beat Holyfield at Cruiser....which would be tough.

 

The answer would be yes if cruiserweight didnt exist. Guys over 175 used to be H/W.... then it was 190, now its 200. Some BIG guys can get down to 200 - Just look at Haye.

I'd take a prime 5'11" 210lb Tyson to take out a 6'7" 245lb Wlad or 7' 330lb Vlauev any day of the week and twice on sunday.

 

yeah but guys like wlad whom are actually athletic and huge have a clear advantage over natural 215lbers. obviously there's only a handful of 6'4 plus athletes in the division, so there may be not be a dire need right now. IMO the cruiser division should be somehow up to 215or 220 but the other divisions would have to be adjusted which is fine b/c imo there doesn't need to be a division every 6 lbs or so.

 

not two hw divisions.

but we all have to take into account that the range of size in pro boxing has increased over the last decade or two. while the sport has become more popular in asia to increase the need for lighter weight divisions, heavyweights are also getting bigger and bigger.

i personally don't think there are too many weight divisions, but "heavyweight" should always be the highest weight division as it still captures the imagination of the casual fan and being the hw champ is still considered the ultimate position in boxing

my solution would be to swicth the cruiserweight limit back to 190, and introduce a 215lb super-cruiserweight division for guys like david haye, eddie chambers etc

 

No.
Let's look at some recent superheavyweights.

The two guys to beat Lewis were 6'2 (231lbs) and 6'2 (238 )...both shorter and lighter.

The two guys to beat Vitali were 6' (210) and 6'5 (256)...both shorter, Byrd was lighter (and Lewis was overweight).

The three guys to beat Wladimir were 6'3 (249), 6'4 (225) and 6'2 (226)...all three shorter, Sanders and Brewster lighter (and Puritty just tubby).

The guy to beat Riddick Bowe was 6'2 (217)...if you'd like to include the Golota blugeonings, he was 6'4 (243 & 239). Both shorter, both lighter except Golota-Bowe II by four pounds.

Michael Grant's three victorious opponents were 6'5 (247), 6'6 (260) and 6'3 (218 )...all three shorter, only McCline heavier by just by six pounds.

The guy that beat Nikolay Valuev is 6'1 (228 )...vastly shorter and lighter.


Bottom line is, despite the hang-wringing that has often occured over the decades about these big nasty superheavies coming along and picking on the 'little guys', the right person doing the right thing at the right time can make them lose same as anyone else.

The superheavies have their own set of problems due to their size, often relating to coordination and stamina issues. It's not like they're necessary everything a 'normal' heavyweight is but better.

 

diluting the talent pool even more by creating add'l weight divisions is a terrible idea. they should if anything eliminate divisions to make them more competitve. look at football and baseball. Expansion doesn't create parity, rather mediocrity.

i'd rather see them merge the cruiserweight and hw divisions. many claim the hws suck, so the cruisers should have no problems competing with them since they are far more skilled despite the size differences. So if Dempsey can beat Willard why not Mormeck against Wlad since we all know Wlad is a slow, plodding, heartless and chinless joke :yep

 

yeah we can think of examples where smaller guys beat good extra large heavys, but this is the exception rather than the rule. those extra large guys beat a lot of smaller guys. btw, byrd didn't win so much as vitaly quit because he wanted to avoid injury. look how byrd fared against wlad, byrd had no shot. rahman and mccall are big enough and are legit superheavy's themselves despite being only 6'2 or so. just think what holy would've done to bowe if he were naturally 245 lbs.

i'm just saying the few good natural 245 lbrs have obvious advantages over natural 215 lbrs.

i agree w/ the supercruiser idea plus eliminating all of those small weight classes to go back to the old divisions.