Does AJ get credit if he even beats Usyk?

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Does AJ get/deserve credit if he beats Usyk?

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  1. Mitch87

    Mitch87 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Should do if he manages the upset but he won't ge t the creditb anti matchbroom brigade if he does. It will be "he shouldn't lost to the midget first time" rubbish and "Usyk was obviously distracted about the war" etc.
     
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  2. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    It will be by far his best victory.
     
  3. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Anti match room brigade?
     
  4. heerko koois

    heerko koois Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Depends on how he wins
     
  5. Mitch87

    Mitch87 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The guys that have agenda against Matchroom and theirs boxers and just completely **** on them.
     
  6. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Or you mean the guys that hate all that is wrong with boxing, h??? Firstable there should never have been a rematch clause, as Usyk was mandatory. Second we all know how Hearn stack everything in AJ and particular his fighters overall. Thirdly the referee. This ia boxing, not wrestling or judo. Forthly the judges. They already did try to robbed Uayk first time around, but he beat him ao cleanly, even their atacking couldn’t help AJ. And i think you get the point.
     
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  7. Mitch87

    Mitch87 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The mandatory was negotiatied - Usyk earned more than he was entitled to do so with the mandatory but a rematch clause added. Fair deal and Usyk team seemed happy with it.

    The judges score card were fair first time (I agree with the judge that 116-112). AJ has never had beneficial treatment from refs or judges. Has MR boxers received beneficial treatment? Yes of lcourse e.g Chisora against Pulev being the most recent. However this isn't a MR issue, this is unfortunately a boxeinf issue on the the whole. We have seen events promotional fighters get beneficial treatment with Top Rank, PBC Queensberry etc.
     
  8. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    I've not heard of people being against a promotion banner. Disliking boxers yeah, but why would anyone be fans or haters of a promotion?
     
  9. djfonti

    djfonti Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Howard Foster gave AJ the first two rounds and had it 7-5. That's preferential treatment. All because the ultimate result is correct doesn't mean they're not working overtime to help him. Have a look at the cards for Parker/Chisora 2 too. Parker gets the nod, rightly, but the scorecards are pre-filled. Canelo vs Bivol. Canelo vs Floyd. The list goes on.
     
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  10. MorvidusStyle

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    Realistically, he shouldn't get too much, since he is a career HW, far bigger, younger and didn't have to go to war this year.

    But just like with Ruiz, because he got beat by the underdog(and let's not forget few trainers/pundits thought Usyk would win), people will pretend it's amazing if he wins the rematch.

    And if he wins by KO or by genuine decision (which could only happen by dropping Uysk a number of times, really), he will be hyped massively again. It will be pretty unbearable. That's why Usyk has to finish the job and end this Hearn-J saga.
     
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  11. hobby rider

    hobby rider Well-Known Member Full Member

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    It’s a bit of a stretch to put the blame for the judging of Floyd v canelo on the shoulders of Hearn and matchroom to say the least.
     
  12. kiwi_boxer

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    From genuine boxing fans, yes - absolutely he should!

    The Wilder/Fury cucks (the same people now) would claim the war ruined Usyk, Joshua cheated, Usyk was never any good and the rest of the typical propaganda.

    Meanwhile, Fury is running from Usyk and Wilder is so shithouse, he’s unofficially retired from a featherfisted beat down
     
  13. djfonti

    djfonti Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I'm not. I'm talking about the culture of dodgy scoring in boxing and how you can't just say that it doesn't exist all because the result was correct.
     
  14. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    I spit on all of this. Nonsenses garbage.

    Scorecards for Povetkin and Klitschko was garbage. But he KO them, so doesn't matter.
    Scorecards for Usyk was pathetic. Even the UK commentators have said that they have Usyk by a land margin, 9-3.

    Joshua won exactly, 5,6 and the 8 round. You can't make a case for any other rounds.
    And the scorecards by the pathetic judges was 117-112(the only good one), 116-112 and 115-113(absolutely pathetic). You didn't even know the scorecards, but trying to comment.
    Do you even realize that the 115-113 was just 1 round of a draw. If Usyk was to lost the last round, that garbage would have score the fight a draw.

    I'm not talking about Chisora - Pulev. The first fight being SD though was one of the most pathetic thing you can see.
    But every Matchroom event, there is some all time ranked daylight robberies. Every SINGLE ONE !!!


    It's clear as day what's going on, but for the normal people.


    And i'm not a AJ hater, you can always check my history. He is my second favorite fighter. But i'm just not a bias person.

    And lastly as far as the rematch goes. Firstable Hearn tried to rob Usyk from what he was obligated to get, and Hearn try to get more of the split for AJ.
    Secondly if there wasn't rematch, the fight wouldn't have happen. They pretty much force the opponent to take the rematch clause, and this is obvious for anyone with 2 brain cells.
    Usyk never ever give a 2 high ***** for the money. He wouldn't have get the match and beat AJ ***, if there wasn't a rematch clause.
     
  15. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    The scorecards for Parker vs Chisora was the most ridiculous i have ever seen to be fair. 114-112, 115-110 and 115-111. How the **** you can come with such scorecards, where Parker not just dominated him, he scored 3 KDs and just beat the living ***** out of him.

    Also scoring the first round for AJ in the Usyk fight, for what exactly? Usyk scored 3x big Left Hands that shock AJ. Absolutely garbage.
    Same for the second round to be fair.
     
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