Does anyone else have Judah to beat Khan?

The best fighter khan as beat is maidana. Not a bad win but this along with a string of wins over average opposition and a loss means he is not elite. Zab even as a veteran is on another level to this kind of opposition and I think this is very revealing when analysing Khan and his resume regarding if he can be described as elite or not. Comes to something when a fighter is being banded about as an elite when he hasn't fought enough elite opposition yet, if any.. Oh well at least Khan thinks he is already a great.

 

Khan isn't going to fight anything like that though. The problem is no one took McCloskey seriously and Khan thought that he could just walk right through him, he had absoloutley no respect for McCloskey's power at all, which is why he took so many chances and looked so sloppy.

Also, the reason Roach looked so bored in there was because Khan was winning every round and every exchange. With Judah it's different, Khan and Roach know Zab has power and they know he can box, so I expect them to come up with a concrete gameplan and follow through.

Khan isn't quite elite level yet either... but who really is in the 140/147 division apart from Pac and Mayweather?, where's the barometer that decides who's in the upper echelon and who's not?, In my opinion Khan is the best at 140 and his victory over Maidana (who was a stylistic nightmare for him) and shutout against Kotelnik solidfy him as at least on Zabs level now, if not higher.

 

Kotelnik and Malinaggi are far from average. Especially Kotelnik, who was robbed against Alexander and hasn't been dominated like he was in the Khan fight before or since.

 

How can you be so sure he wont fight like he did against McCloskey.. Taken seriously or not I happen to think that the slick boxer counter puncher will always give khan a nightmare. Some of the mistakes he makes don't look to me like they are due to the fact he hasn't took a fighter seriously. They just look like the common flaws that we see when a fighter is having problems figuring out a certain style.

Oh and for khan to be considered equal or higher than zab he has to earn it by beating him surely? Cos up until now I look at the resumes and Khans don't come close in quality of opposition, Zab has 10 years on him yes, however for me Khan has to beat Judah to "become his level of not higher"

 

Yes but you are saying he is equal or higher to Zab.. sorry but Kotelnik is a good honest fighter at best, malignaggi has never been anything other than a good honest pro.. When we talk Zab we are talking much better quality in opposition than the guys you mention. Yes he may have lost to most of the elite fighters he has fought but at least he has fought them. Khan has yet to either prove to us he can or can't.

 

Again, look at the Kotelnik fight, He might not have as much speed/power as Zab but he's a solid boxer and a good counterpuncher, a great sly veteran figher. Khan's not going to be over reaching against Zab because he knows Judah's money punch is his counter left uppercut. And if he does then frankly he deserves to get KO'd, still we will just have to wait and see I guess.

As far as the highlighted goes, I tend to look at what a fighter has achieved recently when gauging what level he's on. Mathysse deserved the nod against Judah imo and I have serious doubts Judah gets past Maidana if they fight, so as far as the current situation goes, yeah they're about on the same level now.

 

Malinaggi has also fought and lost against roughly the same level of opposition as Zab though, and like Judah gave a good account of himself in his loss to Cotto.

 

agreed, but not quite..

Paulie gave a good account of himself against cotto the rest is debatable in my book. Like you say we will have to wait and see :good

 

same people picking Khan to lose again. says alot really.

 

a focused judah will still have his ass handed to him by khan but a prime judah will beat khan though!

 

Yeah man, it's an interesting fight for sure. :good

 

I was saying this over 8 years ago. Zab is a sensible guy until things get tough and then he throws all of his talent out of the window. Maybe this time it will be different, but I wouldn't bet on it.

Still, to beat Judah you still have to make things tough for him. He has never been an "opponent" and he has forced the likes of Mayweather and Cotto to bring their A-game. Khan will win this if he pressures Judah with a busy jab and frequent fast straight right hand/left hook combos. I think that, if he listens to Roach, Khan can win this impressively.

However, while a Judah win would be a big upset, it's not out of the question. That's why it's a good gateway fight for Khan.

 

He is in with a very good chance but needs to get the job done early.The longer the fight goes the more it suits Khan.

 

:deal

Judah, in my opinion, is the more physically talented of the two. However, as others have already mentioned, he struggles mentally when the "going gets tough."

Zab hits harder than Khan, and I think that alone makes him a very live underdog.

 

I said pretty much elite. Who's has Wlad fought that's elite? Yet he is considered elite by many and I think Khan is almost there.