When your opponent is 30 lbs overweight and just bullies his way inside, it is awful easy to land one twos and then change direction. It is just as easy if your opponent who is shorter than you decides to box you standing upright and brings nothing to the table that can turn the fight except for being incredibly conventional. Brock Thompson and several other of Wlad's opponents shared this trait. Haye is different. He fights somewhat similiar to fighters from the past. He's not quite at that level, but you can tell that his game plan is to make himself a small target. He's not just a typical upright boxer.
Everyone is going to be suprised when Klitschko loses. That's why it's not wise to fall in love with a fighter.
Do you not understand that your first statement is exactly why us Haye fans think our fighter has an excellent chance in this fight? The last time someone with decent power REALLY unleashed on WALDO he got knocked the **** out....and the time before that too.
That was 4 and 6 years ago. Haye has been knocked down by Thompson and Mormeck. He lunges in constantly with his 1-2s and telegraphs most everything he throws. His style is not the style to beat Wladimir. Not in the slightest
I will be rooting for Wlad, mainly because Haye is such a ****, but this analysis is spot on. Wlad doesn't give anything extra to close the show. His last few fights especially, he just appears to be going through the motions and if a KO happens, then all the better. Wlad just doesn't give off the air of someone who wants to dominate and destroy. He seems quite content to give a boxing lesson and not get his hair messed up. I'm not trying to be offensive to anyone, but is this attitude the difference between eastern bloc/euro fighters that have come out of the old Soviet system and a fighter that has come from nothing (the ghetto)? It's almost as if a lot of European fighters view boxing as a sport, where as fighters from other parts of the world (Mexico in particular) look at boxing as a pride thing.
I think Wladimir's a very skilled fighter, not just a big man winning on his size, he has a great amateur pedigree, and the pro skills and experience to go with it.
Ah so WALDOS losses were so long ago, that's the reason...right. When was the Haye V Thompson fight again? And did you ever bother to watch the knock-down V Mormeck, Haye wasn't even hurt he just took a knee to get himself out of a corner, not long after he KO'd the guy. Want me to bring up WALDO's knock-downs since the Brewster loss? Thought not :rofl I love all the Klit-ites over-confidence going into this fight, it's what Liston used to call "whistling in the dark" when he talked about Ali.
Wlad is in between. His tossers overrate him and we usually underrate him. Watching the last few fights I could see why he usually gets the win. Everybody he fought usually gets tamed in the ring by him. He slows and controls the pace and then wham he starts to let off the power shots when the other guy is in that trance and frustrated. It is effective as hell but yeah it is boring and repetitive. The thing he did he worked on his weakness(not having the natural fight in him and yes his chin is not that good unlike his brother) and he has created a style that would prevent him from losing. That is what you are supposed to do. If he got more aggressive and opened up on people more odds are somebody may catch him. Its hard to get to his body b/c of his jab that he just hangs out there and measures with so chopping him down is difficult. It would take a guy with some speed and lateral movement which nobody in that division has to beat him. No matter what none of his ******ed ass fans say he does not have good foot work but he has good offensive positioning. His defense is in his stance and and height.
I'll admit that for a big man, Wlad is skilled, not quite as skilled as his brother, but faster and more athletic, but like every big man, he's also a big target. Considering that his size didn't give him a solid chin, he loses one of the strength that big man is supposed to have which is punch resistance. He also had a lot of trouble landing anything on Ibriganov who had trouble getting inside, (due possibly to his tenativeness because of fear of getting hit, being somewhat unathletic, or a combination of both). What was quite evident in that fight though, was that Ibriganov was often open for an uppercut, but Wlad showed absolutely no inclination to throw one. Against Haye, who will und oubtably use Klitschko's size against him and get low enough in a position where Wlad will have significant trouble landing his jab, and especially his right hand, an uppercut will be a weapon that Klitschko will need or he will be at the risk of putting on a mediocre performance. And if he was afraid to engage Ibriganov, he'll be terrified of Haye who is more athletic, has longer reach, and punches significantly harder. From what I see with Klitschko is that he is reluctant to take risks. If he lets Haye get into a rhytmm, the fight will significantly shift in Haye's favor as Klitschko's heavy body will begin to take a toll on him as he is constantly backing away from Haye, and missing many of his shots, becoming incredibly flustered as he his unable to land cleanly, but knowing the risk that Haye possess, unwilling to follow up when Haye does get hurt. I am not entirely sure that Haye will not have a nervous breakdown in the middle of the fight and forget his gameplan, which would be more likely if he fought his brother Vitali, who is not the athlete that Wladimir is, but three times the fighter and not afraid to impose his will. BUT I am confident enough in Haye that he will stick to his gameplan, fluster Klitscko early, maybe hit him with something big and make him tenative. Then Haye will stalk Klitscko but continue to stay low, and counterpunch when Klitschko fires his jab over Haye's head. Haye will repeatedly land right hooks to Klitschko's body, early on, and as Klitschko tires, put on more pressure and start landing cleanly on his head. Klitschko won't have the weapons to deal with Haye when Haye gets in range, as Klitschko doesn't possess much of an inside game aside from clinching, which I believe Haye will be equiped to deal with. If you can remember, Barret tried the same thing. Klitschko I doubt is that daring. Ya'll will see. Watch that Carnera vs Louis fight.
You're entirely underating Wlad's terrific lateral movement and his ability to fight and throw jabs at angles. When pressured these days Wlad just starts moving laterally away from his opponents power hand and makes it difficult for him to get set to punch. I can't believe how people still underate Wlad's defense. For a big guy he can punch and move over long stretches of time. His defense and ability to stay out of range while hammering Haye will win him this fight unless Haye charges him and Wlad lands a quick countershot to K.O. the Englishman early on.
Yeah, pretty much that sums it up. The old pre-Steward Wlad was an awesome puncher, he'd really let go and beat down on guys. His hand speed was great for such a big man and his punching was very impressive. His jab is ****ing great and he doesn't do the slick punching thing anymore because he used to get gassed doing that. Why go crazy when you can just beat men with the jab and cross? If Wladimir was black he'd be a superstar.