Does anyone think that what Pavlik did

No,Abraham is a harder puncher than Pavlik.
Pavlik knocks you out after a long sustained attack,Abraham only needs one punch.Abraham is a pure puncher,Pavlik a volume puncher.
Abraham has the edge in chin and power,Pavlik has the edge in activity.
Can't wait to see these 2 collide together.

 

Abraham landed a perfect counter right hook in the 4th, that's why he was much better. End of story. Even Miranda admitted that he felt much more healthy coming in this fight because he didn't have to lose so much weight and felt stronger, fresher. But Abraham was so much stronger as well!

Whether the Pavlik beatdown did anything in favor of Abraham (for example Barrera came back from Jones and Pac beatdowns on top) is very hard to tell because it wasn't the fight we can make conclusions of. Miranda was still strong in the 4th and Abraham never gave him a beatdown, so we can't say his stamina or reflexes became worse. It was the first big AA punch in the 3rd that started the damage and another perfect shot in the 4th started the end, so he didn't have to wear Miranda down.

So to answer to your question, it's hard to tell, but rather no, the accuracy and the power advantage (Abraham at 166) made the difference. And by the way, both Calzaghe AND more importanly the bad shoulder injury destroyed Lacy...

 

maybe, mayne not
and it's the shoulder injury who ruined Lacy

 

Well its apparent Miranda took Arthurs shots better in their first bout, he was caught with a lovely counter shot nothing more to say about it. Miranda's been in some tough fights he needs to re-evaulate his strategy and career that's for sure. As for Arthur vs Kelly well its tough to say I'd hate to jump on one guys side and get called a "nutthugging twally" by some fool I never even heard of LMAO but in all honesty Arthurs lack of activity worries me and say what you want about kelly's power and Arthurs so called one punch power I give Kelly the edge. No middle weight is going to take Kelly's punches for an entire fight and feel good about it.

 

well often a boxer will say when he gets knocked out that he didn't see the punch, so knockouts are not all about having harder punches.

 

I think its quite silly to claim either man hits signifigantly harder than the other, like you mentioned it has a lot to do with timing....if you don't see a punch coming you don't brace for it and you find yourself on the canvas...I'm guessing the power comes into play when the fighter bounces back up or elects to snoring and taking the full ten count. :good

 

I have seen almost all of Abraham's fights and most of Pavlik.
Abraham has one punch KO power and Pavlik is a volume-combination puncher.The thing is,Abraham covers up at the ropes or in the middle of the ring and then explosively opens up.It is to Abraham's credit that the other fighter doesn's see it coming and gets knocked out.Pavlik can thow more punches with the same strength but Abraham has the edge in single blows.
However Abraham cannot afford like in his previous fights to only fight in spurts because there is a realistic chance he cannot KO Pavlik.I am very curious to see how Abraham would do against Pavlik in the later rounds AFTER throwing a lot of punches in the early rounds.If he fights Pavlik his usual way there are only 2 outcomes:1.Abraham KO. 2Pavlik UD.
Arthur will have to throw a lot of punches and win some early rounds if he wants to beat Pavlik by decision.

 

What I'm saying is that they are different kinds of punchers, but both have alot of power.

Pavlik gets his knockouts by accumulative damage, while Abraham gets his by one punch shots that his opponents aren't expecting.

 

spot on :good

 

In my opinion Miranda simply does not have the skills or technic to go head to head with a big puncher. His offense is sloppy and his defense is worse. I'm not quite ready to write him off because their is a chance, however slight, that he can learn, and learn he must if he wants to stay in the game.

Pavlik has a 90% KO ratio, and Arthur's is 80%. Both are extremely good at what they do. If you are going to beat guys like that, you need decent defense, and an offensive game that keeps them honest. Edison Miranda has neither at the present time.