Does Chisora have a better resume..

I don't think any version of Chisora would've beaten the Stiverne that beat Arreola and took Wilder 12. I know this sounds daft, but I don't have a short memory

Yes, Delboy has put in some epic efforts, and once he's properly retired, I think people will put him up there with Frochy in terms of his contribution to British boxing, but Wilder still edges him and would've blown him to pieces in the ring

 

"Wilder's best win is Ortiz. Chisora over Takam is equal to if not better than that"

Another one who has no idea how to rate fighters. Takam is much closer to Malik Scott level (both were stopped by Chisora while ahead on the cards, both have a career best win over 40's Tony Thompson by wide decision) than Ortiz level.

Of Takam's 10 best opponents, how many did he KO? How many did he KD? Answers on a postcard.

Ortiz is one of the ten best to fight at heavyweight in the 2010's; a fighter ducked by Chisora (admitted) and Takam (pulled out to fight Duhaupas, which also didn't happen).

If you don't "take out the losses" then Chisora is a great fighter. Marion Wilson too. Ditto Kevin Johnson.

Chisora is a Whyte/Parker level fighter on an even playing field, maybe a bit better.

 

True.

Stiverne 1 would have been bad for Chisora stylistically. And Chisora compared Ortiz to a "southpaw Mike Tyson" back in the day, even said he didn't want to fight Ortiz this year, with Ortiz 44. So Chisora would probably have six losses vs Wilder's opponents even with home/A-side advantage, rather than two losses and a draw as Wilder does. And Wilder wouldn't have anything close to 13 losses vs Chisora's opponents.

 

Yes by far. Resume is just the list of list of fighters you've fought.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong or missing anyone out but both guys have fought Scott, Szpilka, Fury 3 times and Helenius?

Wilder has Arreola, Washington, Stiverne (twice), Ortiz (twice) and Brezeale.

Chisora's fought Haye, Usyk, Parker (twice), Vitali, Takam, Whyte (twice), Kabayel, Pulev.....few others I can't recall but it's far better.

 

Buy this man a beer
Bravo

 

Ok but by that standard Chisora has a stronger "resume" than many "ATG's". More Ring champs than Tyson, Holmes and Foreman.

 

Wilder has a draw with Fury as well.

 

Well vs. the best boxer they fought they're both win less 3X. Sure, Wilder has a questionable draw in his trilogy.

If Haye could stop a near prime Chisora, what does Wilder do w/ one clean right?!
Number of quality of opponents Chisora > Wilder, but most of those quality opponents were losses.

 

Whatever his flaws, nothing Takam has done (or done to anybody you know ) is enough to merit a direct comparison with Malik Scott. Apart from his first few years in the sport, Malik did nothing other then prance around and peck at his opponent with his jab. Some of this has to do with a Class 3 bicep tear that Scott suffered that kept him out of the sport for 3 full years and that he never fully recovered from - but stuff like that happens in the sport.

Seems like ancient history now, but there was a 12 month period where Ortiz was 100% the most feared heavyweight in the sport when he stopped both Tony Thompson and Bryant Jennings in succession. Nobody wanted a piece of him then.

You could consider Takam a top-10 HW from 2013 to when he fought AJ in late 2017. Takam never had a great gas tank during that era - he'd tend to fade after 6 or 7 rounds. Now his gas tank seems much better - a clear indication that he's on PEDs. The Takam of the 2020s is pretty much what Amir Mansour was for much of the 2010s. If/when Takam is busted - he'll fade fest, just like Mansour did.

I don't think Chisora is Whyte or Parker level now. He can be dangerous for a few rounds in a phone booth fight. But that's it.

 

I think it's fair to say that Takam was closer to Scott's level than Ortiz's. Takam and Scott have some striking similarities: the same best opponent beaten (40's Thompson), both stopped while ahead on the cards in the mid rounds vs Chisora and neither could crack an egg (Takam failed to KO or KD his 10 best opponents and Scott was even more featherfisted).

In Takam's first few years in the sport he lost to Gregory Tony, whereas Scott never lost to anyone worse than Chisora. Takam almost certainly would have picked up another loss on his record to Ortiz but he avoided the fight and was replaced in Monaco by...Malik Scott (albeit producing one of the most bizarre, cowardly and shameful performances ever seen in a boxing ring, superseding his Wilder dive).

Takam may have scratched the top 10 at some point in the 2010's but Ortiz was one of the 10 best heavyweights of the decade as a whole. I don't think Takam breaks the top 20 in that regard.

I meant that Chisora at his best was on the same level as Whyte and Parker, perhaps slightly better (I rate his performances against Vitali and Usyk above any of theirs and he would have beaten Whyte and Parker at least in their first fights had he not been the B-side underdog "journeyman"). He also performed better against Fury in their trilogy fight than Whyte did but we'll probably never know how a trilogy would go between Chisora and Whyte because Whyte's likely going to have to retire now.

 

Without a doubt Chisora has been on the wrong end of more decisions than any Heavyweight I can think of as well as his record being full of todays best Heavyweights and has fought the far better fighters than Wilder,but Wilder KOs him early .

 

I actually don't drink (been completely clean for about 3 years now ) but I'd happily take some Thornton chocolates or some Nestle dairy boxes instead.....or maybe just a double gourmet and bacon burger from 5guys

 

Yeah, he does. Chisora's resume is one of the best you'll see in boxing, nevermind just the heavyweights, nothing anybody's ever knocked because he can't be knocked.....he's fought pretty much everyone there was to fight & he's still going.