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Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by compukiller, Aug 19, 2007.

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Amsterdam said:

I've never done so, but the point made was specifically for Ouma, who bullies guys at 154 and is very very small at 160 with no power to even trouble a big MW and for the fact that he has no defence and is right there to be hit. It was PATHETIC for Taylor to be troubled by Ouma's pressure coming from that end when Ouma could make 147 and Taylor is basically a SMW.

Also, guys like Whitaker were not featherfisted like Ouma and Spinks, they were by no means punchers, but Spinks and Ouma can't crack an eggshell and are nowhere near P4P elite fighters at that.
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Noone said YOU discreditted either of them for the lack of power....it was the other guy.

As for the lack of power issue with Ouma. I dont think that really holds too much weight. Sure he doesnt have 1 punch KO power, but he has good sting on his punches and NOONE throws them in the volumes he does.

Spinks on the other hand couldnt KO my 15 month old daughter....but he is a great boxer and one of the better defensive fighters active right now. Im sorry, but I dont care who it was he fought, they wouldve looked bad. His style dictates it.

sues2nd, Aug 21, 2007

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sues2nd said:

You really shouldnt attempt to argue with people that know more than you....because AGAIN!!! You make a post ripe with insanity!!!

Here let me break it apart again...

So because I THOUGHT Hop won, they shouldve just reversed the judges decisions, given Bernard his title back and cancelled the rematch? Gee, didnt realize I had that much influence??? SWEET!!! While Im at it, can I get Hagler his win vs SRL please?

atsch

And I thought it was a draw...so what? Point is, it wasnt a bs decision...it was a close fight that went to the scorecards and came back as a draw. Would I have been up in arms if they gave it to Winky? NO! Would I have been up in arms if they gave it to Jermaine? NO! There were THAT MANY close rounds....the fight was THAT CLOSE!

It was not a clinic by Wright, nor did Taylor school him....calling this fight robbery is moronic. The draw of Chavez and Whitaker is a robbery of Sweet Pea...this one couldve went either way.

So was Hagler wrong for fighting Duran, Leonard & Hearns? All smaller fighters! Was Oscar wrong for taking on Floyd? Was Vazquez wrong for taking on Marquez? Or how about Tyson for taking on Holyfield? What about Tarver or taking on Hopkins? Hatton for taking on Castillo? I could go on and on all day with examples....this knock on Taylor is bull****.

Fact is, Spinks and Ouma are very good fighters (you could even argue that Spinks is marginally great....former undisputed champ, wins vs Karmazin, Judah, Mayorga, etc. NOT BAD IF YA ASK ME!!). After taking on two of the top 3 or 4 fighters ALIVE in a row, the guy fights a former champion and tough SOB in Ouma as a tune up....then steps it up again vs Spinks.... I dont give a flying **** how small or how hard these guys hit....they are good fighters. Too many times, "champions" take on scrubs just to pad records and stay busy...Taylor actually stayed busy vs two former champs and two DAMN good fighters...and you blast him for it.

Seriously, this is another thing thats wrong with the sport....hatred for fighters that dont deserve it.

I agree with ya here. He is now fighting the most dangerous guy in the division. So lets do a recap.

Joppy - Former Champ...first real test...shuts him out.
Hopkins - At the time the #1 p4p fighter in the world...wins a contriversial decision in a CLOSE FIGHT.
Hopkins - Read Above (but not #1 anymore...still top5).
Wright - Read Above (not #1, but top5).
Ouma - Fights a tune up vs a two time champion of the world...basically shuts him out...
Spinks - Former undisputed champion...looks bad vs this defensive lefty who EVERYONE looks bad vs....
Pavlik - Toughest fight to be made in the division...

So, I will ask you again...please name 5 fighters who have fought THAT level of competition in their last 6 or 7?

(Ill give ya a hint...ya cant... )

And Ive been around the sport for about 20....so I know what an obvious bias is.

When you have so many champions ducking top competition...so many champions taking easy fights, ducking true competiton, screwing the fans....and then you have one that takes tough fights everytime (and even wanted an immediate rematch after the draw vs Winky), one that even his tune ups and keep busy fights are against former champs and good fighters....and somehow you find something wrong with that?

That my friend is an obvious bias.

Let me clue you in on something...Hopkins is BY FAR my favorite active fighter. I believe he won the first fight. I believe the second was a draw. BUT, since he has won the title, Taylor has acted like a champion....I cant help but respect the guy.

Most of these other "champions" could learn something from this man.

Now as for the Pavlik fight. Pavlik is big and powerful. He is a great volume puncher....but a sloppy one (for the record, I do like Pavlik...but his footwork and defense could use some serious work). BUT, Taylor is a big middleweight also (not as big, but Pavlik doesnt dwarf him either), with a GREAT JAB....something even you guys that dont like him cant argue. And since you have been around boxing for 25+ years...ask yourself whats the best weapon vs a swarming fighter?

A great jab....

Taylor wins by a clear UD!!!

And then yourself, compukiller, Zakman, Amsterdam and the rest of ya will call Pavlik a hype job and say Taylor is ducking Abraham or something...:nut
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i agree with you sues. I thought WInky won th fight, but I see wat u saying. But other than that. Damn good post dogs

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sues2nd said:

Noone said YOU discreditted either of them for the lack of power....it was the other guy.

As for the lack of power issue with Ouma. I dont think that really holds too much weight. Sure he doesnt have 1 punch KO power, but he has good sting on his punches and NOONE throws them in the volumes he does.

Spinks on the other hand couldnt KO my 15 month old daughter....but he is a great boxer and one of the better defensive fighters active right now. Im sorry, but I dont care who it was he fought, they wouldve looked bad. His style dictates it.
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Since you believe in your daddy Jermain's ability, why not have an avatar bet??:think

compukiller, Aug 21, 2007

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compukiller said:

Since you believe in your daddy Jermain's ability, why not have an avatar bet??:think
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Why is it one of two extremes with you guys? Either its unwarranted hate, and if somebody doesnt have that then you automatically assume that someone is a sack swinger.

Is it so hard to beleive that someone can actually be an objective fan of boxing? Sues2nd is a very rational poster he is far from a "hugger." The guy knows his ****.

Mrboogie23, Aug 21, 2007

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Mrboogie23 said:

Why is it one of two extremes with you guys? Either its unwarranted hate, and if somebody doesnt have that then you automatically assume that someone is a sack swinger.

Is it so hard to beleive that someone can actually be an objective fan of boxing? Sues2nd is a very rational poster he is far from a "hugger." The guy knows his ****.
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It was just some good natured ball busting, no need to break out the kleenex

compukiller, Aug 21, 2007

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bump.

compukiller, Aug 21, 2007

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Only about 6 weeks til Jermain "Gift Decision" Taylor gets utterly exposed and KTFO. :yep

Can't wait!!! :happy

Zakman, Aug 21, 2007

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Zakman said:

Only about 6 weeks til Jermain "Gift Decision" Taylor gets utterly exposed and KTFO. :yep

Can't wait!!! :happy
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Alright Z, I'm calling you out. Care to make an Taylor/Pavlik avatar bet?

Thor, Aug 21, 2007

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Thor said:

Alright Z, I'm calling you out. Care to make an Taylor/Pavlik avatar bet?
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You got it guy. If Taylor wins, I'll sport a Taylor avatar for a month, if Pavlik wins, you sport a Pavlik avatar for the same. Deal?:huh

Zakman, Aug 21, 2007

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Mrboogie23 said:

Why is it one of two extremes with you guys? Either its unwarranted hate, and if somebody doesnt have that then you automatically assume that someone is a sack swinger.

Is it so hard to beleive that someone can actually be an objective fan of boxing? Sues2nd is a very rational poster he is far from a "hugger." The guy knows his ****.
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Thanks Mrboogie!!! Appreciate the kind words.

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compukiller said:

Since you believe in your daddy Jermain's ability, why not have an avatar bet??:think
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And compukiller...Im down for a little friendly avatar bet. 1 month, winner chooses?

(BTW, I was at work or I wouldve gotten back to ya sooner on this one!!!)

sues2nd, Aug 21, 2007

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Zakman said:

You got it guy. If Taylor wins, I'll sport a Taylor avatar for a month, if Pavlik wins, you sport a Pavlik avatar for the same. Deal?:huh
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OH GOD I CANT WAIT FOR ZAKMAN TO HAVE A TAYLOR AVATAR!!!

sues2nd, Aug 21, 2007

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sues2nd said:

OH GOD I CANT WAIT FOR ZAKMAN TO HAVE A TAYLOR AVATAR!!!

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Ain't gonna happen. Your boy can't get ANOTHER gift decision when he's out cold on the canvas!! :-(

Zakman, Aug 21, 2007

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sues2nd said:

Thanks Mrboogie!!! Appreciate the kind words.

:good

And compukiller...Im down for a little friendly avatar bet. 1 month, winner chooses?

(BTW, I was at work or I wouldve gotten back to ya sooner on this one!!!)
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Can it be for one week instead? I just made a **** load of bets, and I will probably lose some of them. I want to honor them all if I have to.

If you agree to terms, I will begin shopping for your new avatar immediately.

It will be sent to you the moment Taylor is knocked out of the ring.

compukiller, Aug 21, 2007

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Zakman said:

Ain't gonna happen. Your boy can't get ANOTHER gift decision when he's out cold on the canvas!! :-(
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compukiller, Aug 21, 2007

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Zakman said:

You got it guy. If Taylor wins, I'll sport a Taylor avatar for a month, if Pavlik wins, you sport a Pavlik avatar for the same. Deal?:huh
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It's on.

Thor, Aug 21, 2007

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