Dubois Joshua comparisons

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  1. Felix Sanchez

    Felix Sanchez Active Member Full Member

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    A lot to work on.

    Feel he has fallen in love with his power after knocking over less than stellar competition.

    The Kevin Johnson fight was an indicator that he lacks variety to his offence, and going off last night, nothing was learned from that fight. He needs to be in with similar opposition. Durable men who will give him rounds, as he does not look like an elite puncher. The time for blowing over stiffs is gone. He needs to seriously hone his offensive ability. He is predictable.

    He also needs work defensively. How many times was he caught with the jab and what adjustments did he make.
     
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  2. Holler

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    There will be technical flaws in DDD that others are better able to spot. Given his limited amateur career and rush to the pro circuit, which is now looking like a mistake, there should be a lot of room for improvement.

    The bigger worry for me though is the mental side. His self belief seemed to drain out of him as Joyce didn't crumple the way his previous opponents had. The Joyce jab was dominant for most of the fight, why wasn't he adjusting? He doesn't appear to have the kind of in fight intelligence that allows some boxers to adjust their gameplan on the fly. Joshua seems to have it, bar the poor decision making in the Ruiz Jr loss. He listens to his trainer.

    Then, although it can be a mistake to read too much into one fight, there's another issue. Beneath the 'staying humble' mask, there's a nastiness inside Joshua that I'm not sure Daniel has? He comes across as a gentle giant. Maybe the only thing that gets you through the most painful moments is that edge.

    I'm used to boxing pundits saying whatever the promoter wants them to. Last night however it was obvious that Haye and Frampton couldn't put a gloss on what they'd watched. Even Warren wasn't as gung ho as he could've been. Big rebuild needed.
     
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  3. Furious

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    Good post. Agreed. Warren was obviously annoyed that Dubois lost, this was a big gamble.
     
  4. tee_birch

    tee_birch Well-Known Member Full Member

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    True to a degree but I don’t see either of those beating Ruiz based on last nights performance
     
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  5. Holler

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    He must've been gutted. I'm not sure what, if any, contractual relationship exists between him and Joyce, but this was definitely not the plan.

    He was scathing about Hearn's matchmaking prowess. Perhaps he spoke too soon.
     
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  6. Jurgen

    Jurgen Pay Per Pudding Advisor Full Member

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    Baby Fatty would get pummelled by both.
     
  7. Furious

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    It's not the first time recently too. Seemingly he was wary of Fury going in with Wilder the first time round. Granted, massive risk - but a half ready Fury showed he could hold his own.

    Easy to say in hindsight but Dubois needed more time before he was ready for Joyce. Then again, British Boxing needs more competitive fights like last night so I'm delighted it happened.
     
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  8. tee_birch

    tee_birch Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I think he beats both personally. Not like the beat down he gave AJ in the first fight but still would win
     
  9. Connews

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    Ye same, I’m certainly not a boxing expert but have got in to it the last 5/6 years.

    I rarely bet but if I do it’s on football and boxing, Despite following football far more closely my success rate is far higher with my boxing bets.

    Some of the odds offered on over hyped fighters are crazy. Eubank vs Groves was a great example, it was always going to end with Groves on points, but Eubanks name swayed the odds.

    Price is another one I’ve regretted not betting on before.
     
  10. Furious

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    Agreed. I didn't bet last night but was leaning towards Joyce by PTS given the odds so would've gone with that. Obviously would have lost the bet, but I had a feeling that Dubois would run out of steam/ideas if Joyce could withstand the early rounds. Joyce's experience and amateur pedigree mean that it's not the first time he has faced someone like Dubois and he seemed to work him out quite quickly.

    The commentary was quite misleading - every time Dubois launched a flurry of shots (whether or not they had any effect) the commentators would highlight it. Justifying it by saying it was 'eyecatching work', despite not achieving much.

    Joyce is well respected within the sport - Joshua and Fury both using him as a sparring partner is testament to that.
     
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  11. Wig

    Wig Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Both versions would QUIT like a dog.
     
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  12. Who_Necks

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    Joshua is packing pure china and quit worse than DDD against a fat pudding that banjoed him multiple times.
    DDD did quit but he had a legit injury and is so young and all being well will come back.
    I think JJ and DDD could both beat AJ. Certainly JJ can, same situation as last night JJ would break AJ's heart and stop him late.
    Come to think of it i almost forgot to watch AJ vs Ruiz 1 today, I have however remembered to watch Fury vs Wilder 2.
     
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