Dubois vs Parker - make it happen!

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  1. Finkel

    Finkel Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Don't forget Champion Charr.

    To be honest I only consider Usyk and Dubois as champions. Usyk being above Dubois. WBC interim, WBO interim, WBA regular, or whatever, seem more like upgraded mandatory designations
     
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  2. HistoryZero26

    HistoryZero26 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The regular title is a step or several steps below interim in my book. Even the WBA doesn't consider the regular title an actual belt. Its more like an insurance policy than a championship.
     
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  3. MaccaveliMacc

    MaccaveliMacc Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Only Usyk is the real champion. Dubois is a paper title holder.
     
  4. Finkel

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    Pretty sure it functions in the same way. When there is no WBA super champion, the regular belt holder is considered the champion.

    Lewis was the first WBA super champion at heavy. When David Haye was regular champion he was considered WBA's champion. Then when Klitschko beat him, Wlad became WBA super champion, and the WBA regular went free. Povetkin was WBA regular champion, but never a full champion, because Klitschko was then Super.

    Plus it gives you mandatory status now (according to the WBA with Dubois anyway). So, it seems to operate the same as the interim belts, except without the "email champion" tag that comes when interims are upgraded to full.

    Though I agree, it is viewed as a few steps below because of its more recent history. It all depends who holds it, I imagine. If it's what people would consider to be the WBA #1 contender it doesn't seem so bad. Charr and before that Dubois, before that Bryan, etc.. Then yeah, I agree with you. A few steps down
     
  5. Finkel

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    Usyk should have defended his IBF title, then. He didn't, so I recognise Dubois. Though I also recognise Usyk as "the real champion" if you like.

    It's similar to when Lewis was seen as the man of the division, though he was dropping belts left right and centre. Usyk is the man of the division
     
  6. HistoryZero26

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    The regular title and champion within the rules of the WBA exists "in case something happens" thus it functions as an insurance policy. Interim belts are created as the result of specific situations. They do not need to exist and usually don't exist. Therefore they are not the same. If you think interim belts are an elevated number 1 contender status ok that status means a LOT more than whenever it is the WBA regular belt means. Charr has no elevated number 1 contender he wasn't that in 2017 he wasn't that in 2024.
     
  7. fourskin

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    Dubois stops Parker in 19 rds
     
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  8. Finkel

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    Actually, the regular belt doesn't need to exist either: "If the President and Committee designate a Super Champion, the vacant regular title need not be filled." (WBA rules, p. 12).
    It was meant to be abolished after Dubois lost to Usyk, as part of the WBA cleaning up their act. But I gather Charr was threatening a lawsuit in part due to what happened when Don King screwed him on a VISA, allowing Bryan to fight Stiverne for Charr's regular title.
    Well as I said in the post before, it started with Dubois, though it would have been Bryan if he had still been holding it. Unfortunately, it is likely to be the winner of Charr v. Pulev next, but that is some way off. I imagine the winner will just parlay it into a money fight with someone like Joshua, sadly, because the WBA mandatory likely won't come around until 2026. So I wouldn't expect WBA to announce anything official as yet, but from what I've read boxing news sites are expecting the WBA regular holder to challenge the super just as Dubois did.

    As I say, I don't consider either regular or interim to be actual world champions when a champion exists above them. So, neither means much more than being the next mandatory to me.
     
  9. Kiwi_in_America

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    Feb 22 - the ideal date for it.
     
  11. destruction

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    Does Parker do numbers?

    Is he a ticket seller?

    Boxing is a business as well as a sport.

    He only got a shot at AJ because at the time he posed no threat and was prepared to sell his trinket.

    Everyone wants to see the likes of Zhang, AJ, Fury, Dubois and Usyk more than they want to see Parker.
     
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  12. GarethUmmDavies

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    Parker is the most overrated boxer in the world, currently. He would be flattened by Dubois.
     
  13. 11player

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    Great matchup, hope it happens
     
  14. Kiwi Casual

    Kiwi Casual Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It's thinking like this that's the problem with boxing and why good fights aren't made. Usyk wasn't a ticket seller to start with either, yet he's the best in the division.
    Overrated? He has a number of solid wins and has earned his ranking.

    He'd likely outbox Dubios because unlike AJ, he's not just going to stand in front of Dubios all night and eat punches.
     
  15. Kiwi_in_America

    Kiwi_in_America The Tuaminator Full Member

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    Outboxes him

    and maybe even stops him....