Ducking, RJJ vs BHops

Dont you remember the 60-40% Ill kick yo ass interview? Jones was happy to oblige Hopkins, who at the time was the one who should have taken the short money to get the fight he was clamoring for so much. After all, Jones had already beaten him soundly, and Jones was the king of the hill at the time.


Edit: Didnt see Powerpunchers post, but yes, I had to agree with Jones at the time. He had beaten Hopkins. Bernard wanted the fight, he had more to prove, why let 10% get in the way? It made no sense really. The upside for Hopkins was far greater if he could beat Jones. 40% of a Jones fight was also certainly worth more to him than fighting the likes of Keith Holmes or Carl Daniels?

 

Yeah he "offered" Hopkins 40 percent at a time when Hopkins had just unified the middleweight division for the first time in years by defeating the guy Jones was hoping to fight and riding a huge positive publicity wave. Nobody at the time thought it was wrong of Hopkins to turn down that offer because Jones was in the process of avoiding the fight everyone wanted (darius), facing nobodys like woods, and kelly, and battling with hbo over his incessent list of no-hope challengers. In addition to that the contract they are arguing about also stipulated that if Jones lost he would get an immediate rematch and still make more than Hopkins. It was a bull**** contract and everyone but ignorant fanboys understood that. Which category do you fall into...

Oh and check your facts. When this argument took place Jones was rated as the #3 P4P fighter behind Mosely and you guessed it Hopkins.

 

:rofl @ Hopkins being rated over Jones when Jones schooled him with 1 hand.

Jones was making 8million fighting anyone he wanted, Hopkins had never made that type of money, Hopkins would have fights making a few 100k, financially he was getting a great deal getting, not to mention RJJ was P4P no1. Not to mention RJJ kicked Hopkins ass with 1 hand, beat Toney, unified the 175lb division.

:rofl @ you claiming to know what was in the contract, any links to your claims?

Did I mention Calzaghe's camp asked Hopkins how much for a fight, Hopkins said 4million, Calzaghe's camp accepted his fee, then Hopkins doubled his demand when offered the 4m and when it wasnt made took a fight for about 250k :-( Yes Jones is the ducker and not Hops

 

Sorry man beating a blown up welterweight to unify the division really was never that impressive to me. Im a fan of Hopkins but I didnt think he was right in this scenario. His record of opponents was no murders row either.

 

Really? Because that blown up welterweight is who Jones was hoping to fight next... I bet you would have loved that. It would have been a massive step up from the civil service workers Jones made a career out of fighting.

 

Nah I was 100% sure he would have no chance against Hopkins let alone Jones Jr. Trinidad was too small, and once his power was not the biggest factor in the fight, his skills were somewhat ordinary.

 

As Hopkins said, LATELY Jones hadnt done anything in boxing. The first Hopkins fight took place what, ten years before this argument? He never even unified his LHW division as you state. Darius was actually the unified champ before Jones ever came up so in ducking Darius Jones was ducking the guy champion. Jones unified a bunch of paper titles that Darius had discarded. You have to beat the man to be the man and Jones NEVER did that. Period. The best he can say is that he beat Virgil Hill who was coming off a loss to Darius and a long layoff and Jones still wanted it to be an overweight match so his paper title (which he won from a comically ancient and obese Mike McCallum) wasnt on the line. Talk about a joke. But eat it up, I can tell you enjoyed the ride.

You guys crack me up with your over inflated claims of Jones earning power. Just like Mayweather, who Im sure you also enjoy, Jones constantly lied about what he was making. For the second Tarver fight, which was bigger than the first and when Jones was actually probably at or near the height of his popularity he only earned 6 million I guarantee he didnt make anywhere near that for Glen ****ing Kelly

 

Again in reality neither was taking any kind of major risks, and Hopkins continued on his own string of easy paydays, until HBO got tired of him. They tried to use him as a Glen Johnson late in his career, but he managed to suprise us all.
What he should have done was move up to LH after unifying the 60 pound title and forced a fight with Jones, who at least moved up to heavyweight against a fairly respectable champion in retrospect.

 

8years before the argument and Hopkins is full of **** because Jones opposition after their first is far far superior to Hopkins.

Your argument is **** poor and you've changed the subject after being well and truly owned claiming 'Jones ducked Hopkins' when clearly the opposite is the case. You've been exposed as nothing but a liar if you truely knew Hopkins was offered the fight for 60-40 and you still claimed Jones avoided the fight :-(

 

So basically you and Hopkins thought he would win because Trinidad was a pretty big favorite for that fight and coming off his devastating KO over Joppy who many figured as a tougher prospect than Hopkins he was looking like a shoe in to beat Hopkins. But you just KNEW Trinidad was going to lose. 20/20 hindsight is a wonderful thing.

 

Owned my ass. Offering someone a pittance to fight you is the oldest way in the world to price yourself out of a fight. Nobody ****ing blamed Hopkins for not taking Jones' offer. It was horse**** and only Jones and his fans believed it was legit to begin with, just like his claim of being willing to fight Darius. Hopkins was willing to fight anyone out there even jumping up two divisions and beating the guy who had beaten Jones by devastating KO in one sided fashion. Talk about a nuthugger. If you want to believe that Jones actively pursued fights with a whos who of fighters from 160-HW from the time he beat Hopkins to the end of his career and yet somehow managed not to get ANY of those marquee names because of them and not him then you sir are living in a fantasy land. once, maybe twice, maybe even three times but 6, 7, 8 , 9 or more big name fighters that Jones could have fought that were eager to face him and somehow the fights didnt materialize? Meanwhile Jones is suckling off the teet of a ludicrously generous HBO contract (which even they admitted was a mistake after the fact). It doesnt take a rocket scientist... or even a piece of ghetto garbage to realize who was protecting his padded record.

 

So John Ruiz, the least respected champion since Bruce Seldon, is now a fairly respectable champion??? The same guy that everytime he appeared on tv you could hear the whole of the boxing community utter a simultaneous groan? O...K... I guess objectivity is out the window. Jones picked the weakest and most beatable of HW "champions" (and Ruiz suited Jones perfectly being a paper champion in his own right) in order to add to his collection. A guy with a weak chin who had moved up from cruiserweight (where he wasnt that good either), with a punch and grab style who wasnt particularly fast, durable, talented, in shape etc. A guy who managed to win his fights with a lot of help from his friendly promoter and friendly officials and careful matchmaking.

 

And as for Hopkins not taking risks keep in mind that he continually called to unify the division but was blocked at every turn by Don King who had basically controlled the division and who Hopkins refused to work with forever. It was only after Lou DiBella talked him into dealing with King for the tournament that he got what he wanted and made good on it. It wasnt Hopkins avoiding fights because he was screaming for them and if you had been around then you would know thats why he had such a chip on his shoulder for so long and when he got Joppy, Holmes, and Trinidad in the ring he beat the hell out of them and showed what he was capable of. Dont act like he was scared of these guys and avoiding big fights because his fights with the top guys in the division werent even close. Hell the closest fight he had was against Robert Allen and that didnt even finish four rounds! Even when he was already past his best he deserved no worse than win and draw against Taylor, dominated both Tarver and Pavlikk, and fought a razor thin loss against Calzaghe that many felt he won (I didnt). Over 35 years of age the guy has beaten some of the best fighters of the last 20 years or more and some would argue deserves to be undefeated during that time period. But he doesnt take chances...

 

Thank you That gave me the best laugh Ive had in a long time.

 

So Taylor,Tarver and Pavlik are top fighters in your view?

I think you need to get Hopkins testicles out of your field of view and look again.Taylor was the epitome of a hype job.A kid with a good personality,reasonable jab and not much else.Pavlik can punch but is wooden and slower than treacle (****ing 45 year old Hopkins looked like lightning against him) and just recently got humiliated by a welterweight and Tarver is only a name because he beat a faded Jones who'd already beaten him first.

Take that away and you have hacks like Joe Lipsey,Bo James and Syd Vanderpool,washed up John David Jackson,smaller guys like Winky,Oscar and Tito and shot smaller guys like Simon Brown.

Hopkins so much craved a challenge he even used to call out Ike Quartey another little man

I'd say Virgil Hill,James Toney,Thomas Tate,Reggie Johnson,Montell Griffin,Julio Cesar Gonzalez (Michelcwezski's conqueror),even an old Mike McCallum,John Ruiz,Clinton Woods,Thulane Malinga and even Jorge Castro are as good as anyone that Hopkins fought (in their respective weight classes,Tito and Oscar were a long way away from their best weights)

But you're such a Roy hater and Hopkins suckhole that you'll tell us that crap like Echols and Andrew Council were the type of danger fighters that Jones would've avoided.

Jones had the balls to rise in weight and meet bigger men and bigger challenges whereas Hopkins unashamedly hid and reigned over one of the weakest middleweight divisions ever (yep worse than the Lt Heavyweight division Jones ruled).