Duran explains why he quit (April 1981 Ring interview)

As much as i love Duran, the stomach cramp story is BS. Bert Sugar claimed to have seen him eating steak right after the fight. Ray Leonard simply toyed with him and his macho image.

 

Yes, and Castro is a very good win for the 47 year old Duran. Thats what i was trying to explain to the Sweet Pea loon.

Camacho had not even fought Oscar yet, when Duran faced him.

Another closer one I need to revisit, but I recall Duran vs Paz I. Thats an arguable win over a Super Middle beltholder on his 40s.

 

Whether you love Duran or hate him his story is a fascinating one. From poverty, growing up fighting and scrambling for his next meal to the top of the boxing world. He is disgraced by No Mas only to rise back to the top again and reclaim not only the Championship but redeem himself. It`s a helluva story.

 

Camacho and Pazienza? So his wins or losses in the 1990s at 168 make him greater, but his loses over 10 years before to Hearns and Benitez at lower weights have excuses. This is exactly the reason Duran is overrated a bit. He gets credit for things, but the guys who beat him legit. not as much. If Duran beat the greats Hearns and Benitez he would have been given more than enough credit. But he fights the mediocre Pazienza and very beatable Camacho at that weight higher up and it means something. As for Camacho, had Camacho lost to Tito yet when Duran fought him? When Duran fought Joppy who was champ, he lost easily, yet what excuse is there for that? Or is that accepted because he was 46. So Duran gets credit for fighting guys in 1995 but he was old and washed up in 1982-1984 when he fought Hearns and Benitez at 154..

 

Camacho was not relevant when he fought Duran. Not in regards to world championships.

 

Camacho was rated in the top 10 by RING magazine in 1996 and would challenge Oscar for his lineal Welter title the next year in a highly profitable fight. You don't get anymore relevant to World Championships than fighting for one in a major PPV...seriously, what the hell is with you?

 

More of the same illogical garbage.

How about you explain that formula that was so important to you, and tell me how Hearns and Benitez were elite when they didn't beat anybody that fits the "Elite" competition description you hold Duran to.

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Duran is given credit for Camacho in 1996, but not for Hearns and Benitez 12 and 14 years before at lower weights. and Camacho rated at middleweight? That was what Duran and Camacho fought for in 1996.. Yet Oscar vs. Hector was welterweight. Where was Camacho rated? If Duran could fight decently in 1996, then he was not washed up at lower weights in the early 1980s when he fought Hearns and Duran. That is my point.

 

Hearns beat 10 time defense welterweight champion and Hall of Famer Pipino Cuevas in 2 rounds in 1980 to win his first title. Hearns beat Benitez, hall of famer and great to win his second title. Hearns beat Duran in 1984 when both were champs at 154.. The guy you say was old in 1982-1984, yet you say fought well to beat Camacho in 1996 more than 10 years later. and still fought Camacho in 2000 16 years after Hearns. Hearns beat Virgil Hill who was undefeated 30 pounds and 4 divisions past his first weight and Hill was then 26 and undefeated.. Hearns first man to win the light heavyweight title after winning the welterweight title. And Benitez beat Cervantes for his first title. youngest man to win a title and beat Duran in defense and beat him easily.. Defense wizard. Made Hearns miss clean, when obviously Hearns did not miss Duran.

 

So Pipino Cuevas has no elite wins, but you consider him elite for being in the Hall of the Fame and defending his title.

Why is Palomino not elite? He is also in the Hall of the Fame and had 7 title defenses.

Ken Buchanan is in the Hall of the Fame and had 2 title defenses before facing Duran, why is he not elite?

Duran had no title, and why is Duran elite now, he doesn't match your criteria?

You know what was an actual Title unification fight. Duran vs DeJesus.

Hill has no elite wins. 30 pounds, Duran beat Barkley 41 pounds above his first weight and became the first former Lightweight Champion to capture a Middleweight title, why don't you consider that?

What are Cervantes' elite wins to make him elite? He has one Hall of Fame win and a title, same as other Duran opponents.

Why do you dismiss DeJesus, Buchanan, Barkley, Moore, Palomino and Marcel as elites? They fit the criteria you have just laid down here.

 

Kentucky Cobra and PernellSweetPea...choose your weapons and I'll see you with your seconds in the morning
6AM. I'll provide a doctor in case he's needed.

 

Rated at Junior Middle and Welter. And it doesn't matter, you said "NOT RELEVANT...TO WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS" He clearly was.

Because you are trying to argue Hearns and Benitez are better P4P.

 

Well this opinion puts you into a 2 percent category of those who think like that. Leonard couldn't deal with Durans quickness in Montreal, at 147.

 

Still waiting on Pea to explain if these examples also showed ceilings?

 

Leonard was certainly surprised by Duran`s quickness. He was right on top of Ray the entire night and Leonard couldn't hit him. Sugar Ray Leonard had perhaps the quickest hands in the sport at that time but he missed more punches that night than he did in 3 fights. Duran was right on top of him with either hand punching off those misses.

Simply put it was one of the greatest displays of boxing skills and defense in the history of the sport. He was even giving up about 3 inches in height.