Earliest masterclass on film?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Melankomas, Jun 5, 2025.

  1. Melankomas

    Melankomas Corbett beats your favourite fighter

    Joined:
    Dec 18, 2022
    Messages:
    8,258
    Likes Received:
    10,005
    I’d say Gans’ fight with Nelson could count, though I’d also nominate Langford’s methodical destruction of Jeannette up there too!!
     
    Pugguy, ChickenPockPock and Rumsfeld like this.
  2. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

    Joined:
    Mar 3, 2019
    Messages:
    27,678
    Likes Received:
    46,503
    Probably not the earliest, but I've always loved watching Canzoneri take guys apart. Some of his fights with Ross, Chocolate, Berg and Ambers are the best pre-WW2 technical showings I've seen. It's almost like a period of time in limbo, stuck between the Walker Law and the more modern looking guys in the 40s.

    I'm sure there's better earlier footage, but I've not actually watched anything prior to 1919 in like 3 or 4 years.
     
  3. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

    Joined:
    Mar 3, 2019
    Messages:
    27,678
    Likes Received:
    46,503
    I actually forgot about Benny Leonard or Packey McFarland, they both look great.
     
    Pugguy likes this.
  4. thistle

    thistle Boxing Junkie

    Joined:
    Dec 21, 2016
    Messages:
    8,361
    Likes Received:
    8,944
    for me too,

    Tony Canzoneri was the first time I reckoned with the fact that by the mid 1920's, most Boxers had become the Athletic Stylistic Athletes that we are used to seeing and expect from Top Class Fighters... sure there would have been earlier examples of the athlete types over Prizefighting 'grit & grind' teak tough scrappers. But by then it was the advent of 'common place' Skilled Athletic Craftsmen.

    both the Preservation & Proper Technic of actually 'using' recording equipment too, is a big factor, yes.

    But yeah, Tony C, for me.
     
    Pugguy and George Crowcroft like this.
  5. ChickenPockPock

    ChickenPockPock New Member Full Member

    Joined:
    Jun 1, 2023
    Messages:
    33
    Likes Received:
    47
    Joe Gans vs Kid Herman comes to mind.
     
    Pugguy likes this.
  6. Pugguy

    Pugguy Ingo, The Thinking Man’s GOAT banned Full Member

    Joined:
    Aug 22, 2021
    Messages:
    17,852
    Likes Received:
    28,961
    For me, Johnson vs Jeffries possibly.

    Jeff well past his best of course but Johnson, perfectly conditioned and tuned, still made all the right moves and we get to see a broad selection of Johnson’s armoury on display.

    Johnson’s own meticulous prep reflected a good measure of respect toward Jeffries and proved that Jack wasn’t taking any chances in the event that Jeff did recapture some of his formidable, former self.
     
  7. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Mauling Mormon’s banned Full Member

    Joined:
    Sep 22, 2021
    Messages:
    19,739
    Likes Received:
    21,757
    Probably some Benny Leonard fight
     
  8. FThabxinfan

    FThabxinfan Well-Known Member Full Member

    Joined:
    Sep 12, 2024
    Messages:
    2,423
    Likes Received:
    2,051
    Jack Johnson whipping Tommy Burns like a dad when his kid held his flashlight the wrong way.
     
  9. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Joined:
    Jan 14, 2022
    Messages:
    17,461
    Likes Received:
    37,571
    Tunney vs Dempsey 1