Eleider Alvarez - terrible generalization but hear me out

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  1. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Alvarez looked terrible , his work rate was pitiful and he just walked around like a zombie hoping Krusher would lower his guard. He really put no pressure on him at all. Kovalev went at his own pace, fought when he wanted, and held when he didn't. Poor effort
     
  2. PIPO23

    PIPO23 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Big part of boxing is mental. It looked to me he didn't want to throw. Sometimes it happens.
     
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  3. JacK Rauber

    JacK Rauber Unbourboned by what has been Full Member

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    Agreed. I think he was too concerned about being countered, which is odd given that is how he caught Kov in the first fight.
     
  4. Dance84

    Dance84 Unicorn and seastar land Full Member

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    Sometimes they just got lucky and were never level on that level in reality .
     
  5. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    I was saying this about Colombians:
    1. Alvarez reached the top and underperformed immediately. He had momentum after the 7th round last night and decided to take his foot off the gas with exception to round 11.
    2. Yohnny Perez--Wins title and never wins another fight
    3. Ricardo Torres--Wins title, loses it immediately and has one fight against a noname.
    4. Edison Miranda--Had like 2 years as a serious contender before turning into a journeyman.
     
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  6. Flamazide

    Flamazide Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    It's not a muddled effort though. Look, it doesn't matter where you're from, what you're thinking about, your feelings, or any of that ****. What matters is what you're actually doing. It all comes back to tactics and ability. Heart and toughness play a major factor but only if it is allowed to get to that point. What you're talking about is irrelevant. You're wrong about what is happening in the ring so your assessment of why that is occuring is already flawed.
     
  7. Flamazide

    Flamazide Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Luck is pretty rare in boxing. These aren't exactly random events.

    This is an oversimplification of how that happened.
     
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  8. Heavy_Hitter

    Heavy_Hitter Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Not only south American fighters are like this. Vitaly Klitschko quit against Byrd in 10th like he didn't care at all.
     
  9. Dance84

    Dance84 Unicorn and seastar land Full Member

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    it is lucky when that is basically how you won and cant do it again and get dominated the second time . also first time he was down on the scorecards . same as the second
     
  10. thegoose86

    thegoose86 Member Full Member

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    the thing he did well for the most part was circle away from Kovalevs power not sure if everyone could do that, it was always clear to me in both fights that Kovalev would not knock Alvarez out. lucky his trainer knew that too.
     
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  11. Flamazide

    Flamazide Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    ...That's gameplan and responding to a situation. There's a reason Kovalev got caught by the same exact punch Ward did at roughly the same time and it had similar effects. That's not luck. That's a plan. A plan is not luck. Why do you think people train? If boxing was about luck you wouldn't spend so much time training skills/doing drills.
     
  12. Dance84

    Dance84 Unicorn and seastar land Full Member

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    it was a lucky plan . its as simple as this if you beat an elite from a punch and you dont land it again it was luck . if alvarez gets beat by bivol and gvozdyk it was luck simple as that. if you are just waiting all night for a single punch in both fights and that is all you can bring . you never belonged in the elite
     
  13. Flamazide

    Flamazide Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    ...Have you ever boxed before?

    What the **** is a lucky plan???????
     
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  14. Dance84

    Dance84 Unicorn and seastar land Full Member

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    why yes i have boxed but i also the difference between levels in proffesional boxing . from what we have seen is that champions true elite champions adjust they prepare for everything they dont just offer one style or one gameplan in two fights . ward was dropped and hurt in the first fight against kovalev .then ward stops kovalev in the second fight . canelo was pushed back by ggg in the first when i had ggg winning . then canelo walks down ggg in the second fight. top champions adjust they do not wait for a one hitter quiter all night and hope it lands .
     
  15. Flamazide

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    How have you boxed but you don't understand gameplans and preparation? How do you not understand why you saying that it was a lucky plan is stupid?

    Ward...stopped Kovalev...doing the same thing...Alvarez did...only worse.

    That is a plan. What are you even talking about?????

    Seriously, explain what a "lucky plan" is.