ESB OFFICIAL POLL: Jean Pascal vs Lucian Bute!

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  1. doubleplaidinum

    doubleplaidinum Maravilla Full Member

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  2. scorpy

    scorpy Veni, Vidi, Vici Full Member

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    Yeah. you're right. Dawson is crap. Bute has not beaten anyone better then Andrade, has not even faced anyone as good as Froch, but there's no hype surrounding him? That makes a lot more sense. :nut
     
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    Bute is faster than the lethargic, unmotivated, trigger-weary Dawson that Pascal beat. Pascal may beat Bute, but it won't be easy by any means. Bute will simply not let Pascal walk all over him, like Dawson did.
     
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    Dont know who wins, but it would be a damn nice step up for Bute to take!
     
  5. scorpy

    scorpy Veni, Vidi, Vici Full Member

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    Yeah. Another one who believes Dawson is crap. :patsch

    How do you know all that? Bute's never faced a worthy opponent. No disrecpect intended towards Bika and Andrade, but they are not on Froch, Diaconu and espacially Dawson's level.

    I think the style match-up is not that good for Bute.

    And Interbox must think the same because Bédard was already giving interview this morning saying the fight is unlikely.
     
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    Not Pascal speed put Dawson out of his game . But Dawsons inaccuracy with his jab and his inability to cut the ring better and the fact that even when he got Pascal in a static position or with the back on the ropes Dawson didn't let his hands go being afraid of something ( idk what ..probably his opponent power or a counter) . Just a higher work rate and Dawson would've beat Pascal ... even without that if the fight wasn't stopped there Pascal would have need it lots of heart and some luck to make it at the end of 11 and though the 12 cuz seconds before the headbutt JP was seriously hurt .
     
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    Bute would KO him. Pascal is very good, but Bute is Hall of Fame worthy. Too much speed and power for Pascal to handle.
     
  8. Dece Bal

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    ...you sure you're not scorpy's little brother?

    Andrade is not on Diaconu's level? Damned right; he's better. He's up there with Froch.

    Another one who believes Dawson is crap? Nope. But you sound like one of those who believes we've seen the best version of Dawson in there the other night. And even a disappointing Dawson made things very tough in there for Pascal towards the end. Big sigh of relief when the fight was stopped from Pascal...

    I think the style match-up is very good for Bute.

    Bute's never faced a worthy opponent? Utter crap.

    I don't believe you're the real scorpy.
     
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    check my comments. You are not giving Pascal the credit he deserves.
     
  10. scorpy

    scorpy Veni, Vidi, Vici Full Member

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    Dawson was very cautious because he was wary of Pascal's power. And anyone who's ever seen Bute box knows he's also a very cautious fighter. I'm really not so sure Bute would let his hands go that much vs Pascal.
     
  11. Dece Bal

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    When Bute lets his hands go, he does it because his effective, precise punches have got his opponent in trouble.

    When Bute lets his hands go, the ref is having a close look, thinking he may have to wave it off any second now.

    Bute shouldn't brawl with Pascal. He needs to do what he does best - control distance and pace, time his opponent with precise effective punches and combinations and look for that killer wham-bam, thank-you-ma'am punch.

    Pacal is unorthodox, tough, courageous, unpredictable. He's a survivor and he fights to win. He may beat Bute, but he ain't beating Bute fairly easily. He makes too many mistakes for that, and he can be hurt. He's very good, but he's not good enough to beat Bute fairly easily.
     
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    Agree with you . With only 1 thing Dawson didn't spent all his energy... he had a lot left for the last round ... and a lot more than Pascal who was gassed out(like agains Froch/Diaconu/and now Dawson) He won agains Diaconu because The Shark was in worst shape than him he win agains Dawson because the fight stopped in round 11( there was still 4 min - with a JP badly hurt) [url]http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xegeaz_pascal-dawson-30-sec_sport[/url].
    And if you don't let your hands go - Get caught with more or not - how you want to win a match? When you got him on a the rope with his guard up do something.
     
  13. scorpy

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    :lol: Believe me I am.

    "Worthy" is harsh but they are not as good as you make em to be. They are certainly not on Froch' level. Get real.

    Andrade is exciting but Bute toyed with him for 11 rounds in the first fight, and koed him in the 2nd. Kessler schooled Andrade. Kessler, Froch, Dirrell, Ward, Bute are all at least a good level above Andrade, maybe two in some cases... and he's still the best fighter Bute has faced.

    Bute is still unproven. FACT

    You can discredit Pascal's win if you like, it's your right.
     
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    Like I said, to me "faily easy" meant 8-4 decision, not a 3rd round ko.
     
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    Pascal has to respect Bute's power and that will make him less offensive than against Dawson. Bute can cut the ring better then Dawson . Even if Bute is cautious he still trows nice combos and lands his jab better.