ESB's Chinchecker Strikes Again!!

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Zakman, Jul 26, 2008.


  1. PugilisticPower

    PugilisticPower The Blonde Batman Full Member

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    Byron Mitchell, you dull ****

    A noted puncher at the time, in the Top 10 and coming off being a champ and having a robbery against Sven Ottke (he won the fight, Sven was awarded SD, no surprise)

    Hit Joe Calzaghe flush, Calzaghe got straight back up before the five count and ended up nailing Mitchell before the end of the fight.

    Yet Calzaghe's chin is only decent?

    Did you not see Kessler landing two solid uppercuts on Joe? Or Lacy landing several flush in the first two rounds, to which Joe stated "He can't punch for ****"

    You're an idiot posing as a savant. I see through you, dopeycunt.
     
  2. TFFP

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    **** man, are you on your period tonight? :think
     
  3. PugilisticPower

    PugilisticPower The Blonde Batman Full Member

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    No, just pissed off at seeing idiots like this guy, Amsterdam and other dumb ****ers discredit and disrespect boxers that they have no ****ing clue about.
     
  4. TFFP

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    Damn I like your posts but the red mist has descended, you are tearing mother****ers down left right and centre. Grab a cold glass of water and come back later :yep
     
  5. PugilisticPower

    PugilisticPower The Blonde Batman Full Member

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    Point taken, but you must admit, history revisionists like this idiot get on your wick too, no?

    Suddenly, Byron Mitchell, the man who EVERYONE except Germany believes beat Sven Ottke in a fight prior to Calzaghe, is nothing special and not a puncher, despite knocking out noted guys, like Frankie Liles?

    Can't even get his name right either, it's just disgraceful that these guys like to think they know anything about boxing.

    Basing the Cotto fight solely on chin differential? Laughable. Had Tony not had his stamina, power and determination, easy fight for Cotto.

    Chins didn't even come into this fight, it came down more so to heart and conditioning.
     
  6. Shotgun

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    Zak was right about this one, I also said that doubted Cotto's chin and stamina would hold up for 12 rounds of Margarito's pressure

    I know he was weight drained but he was nearly stopped by the light punching Corley and also in serious trouble against Torres, those fights were serious red flags
     
  7. TFFP

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    Well, the only chin that came into the equation was Margarito's, because had he been unable to take Cotto's shots so well he'd have been gone inside 5 with the clean work Miguel was landing.

    Cotto was down and out after a sustained beating in the later stages, when his stamina faded under the onslaught of a bigger stronger man. I don't get it either.
     
  8. Zakman

    Zakman ESB's Chinchecker Full Member

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    Exactly. And the entire point of this thread is that these signs were there, but many fans ignored or minimized them, as they often do when they are there for all to see. But what is worse are the nuthuggers who will deny that their favorite has vulnerable whiskers.

    Case in point - David Haye, at HW. A KO waiting to happen.:yep
     
  9. PugilisticPower

    PugilisticPower The Blonde Batman Full Member

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    It wasn't Cotto's chin that cost him the fight.

    Give Margarito some damn credit.

    Margarito changed up his angles, changed up his punching combinations, invested in the body early and slowly and surely broke the heart of Cotto.

    Cotto's chin was never broken in this fight, he had all of his faculties in order, he just didn't have the conditioning or heart to withstand the barrage of body punches and relentless pressure of Margarito.

    So whilst he got the result of the fight right (Whoopety****ingdo, so did a bunch of other people) - he got the way it went down wrong.
     
  10. PugilisticPower

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    Agree, but what are you going to do? Say he's going to get KO'ed every single fight then when it finally happens "OH, See, I told you all, should have listened to me"

    My bet is Haye will beat a couple of top ranked HW's before he gets cracked himself, yet you'll ride off the coat tails of what is a pretty darn easy prediction.
     
  11. Strike

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    And then Taylor went the distance with Pavlik and everyone knew Harrison had a glass jaw.

    You make far more wrong calls than correct ones due to your ridiculous obsession with chins.
    And despite claiming to be a long time boxing fan and loving the sport you admitted to having never seen a single Michael Spinks fight because you "have no time for the Spinks family".:roll:
     
  12. Zakman

    Zakman ESB's Chinchecker Full Member

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    Hardly. I predicted that Margarito would wear him down and stop him late - which is EXACTLY what happened.

    The fact that Cotto couldn't take the shots of lighter weight fighters too well was a clear sign that he would be vulnerable when he faced his first hard-hitting natural welter.
     
  13. PugilisticPower

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    So, Zab Judah isn't a hard hitting welter? Sugar Shane (despite having a KO at 154) isn't a hard hitting welter?
     
  14. Zakman

    Zakman ESB's Chinchecker Full Member

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    WTF??? I never said ANYTHING like that. I was watching Michael Spinks fight Dwight Qawi (Braxton, then) when most posters on this forum were either in diapers, or not even born! :patsch

    As far as my focus on punch resistance is concerned, it is EXACTLY because of misguided attitudes like yours that I made my thread. Who got knocked out last night, friend - the guy with the iron chin or the guy with the shaky whiskers?? Point PROVEN! Chins matter, boxing fans!:yep
     
  15. Zakman

    Zakman ESB's Chinchecker Full Member

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    Judah's a JUNIOR welterweight, and Mosley was hardly a hard-hitter at welterweight. Their punching power went way down once they moved up, as is often the case.