Espn2 alert!! They'll talk about pac not fighting afro fighters!

But I think this poster's point is that you and Hopkins are looking at the same question in a completely different way. You're basically accusing Pacquiao of avoiding black fighters, regardless of their style, which necessitates a different explanation of why he's avoiding them than Hopkins, who is saying that the "slick black style" of angles, movements, and potshots would be Manny's foil. You're not really arguing that because you're including black fighters who clearly don't fight that way.

So are you saying that Hopkins is wrong, or that he's using a smokescreen to subtly make the same point you're making?

 

The funniest quote of the ESPN Video was

"I seriously doubt that any black fight fan has been sitting around wondering why Manny Pacquiao doesn't fight any black fighter."

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LMAO

 

Come on! Cotto was shot just like RJJ! Not past their primes? WHAT?!? ODLH at 147?!? Hatton? You are reaching here.

The only guy of note is Clottey and I explained I don't trust that fight. A mere? Clottey lives in Ghana. $1.5 million was his career high payday. Arum and Jones DOUBLED it AFTER the fight! He disappeared for months after he was never hurt. Now he is back saying he can win? He knows Arum is running out of options.

No. It is about HOW a guy loses. Mosley wasn't finished. Clottey ain't finished. Cotto after Margo. ODLH at 147. Hatton after Mayweather. Margo after Mosley and a huge layoff. Those guys were finished. I won't speak on Cotto/Marg because I think Marg cheated him. Cotto went for a WEAK title holder. Quite Arumish.

No you couldn't. Mosley looked good even in losing to Cotto. Not the old Mosley but good. Mosley also went on to spark out "the most feared man on the planet". Mayorga is good.

On paper? Sure. If you know boxing? Hell no.

Cotto - Ruined by Margo and never the same since
Clottey - No sparring partner (Pac bought him) and no trainer
Margarito - Recently sparked by Mosley and coming off of a layoff for loading his wraps.

I agree with you on the last point. Mayweather might. He fought Mosley. Mayweather makes fights into green. Pac is only as good as his opponent. So it brings the question to the forefront...

"If Pac is about fighting the best, why nobody Black?" (140,147,154)

 

lol, well to be fair, "afro american" was a term in use awhile ago. It's not always easy to keep up with what the latest PC terms are. Colored, negro, afro-american, black, african-american. Indian, american indian, native american, first national (just learned about that one). Oriental, asian. Eskimo, innuit. Spanish, hispanic, latino, latin-american. Crippled, invalid, handicapped, disabled, physically challenged, differently abled. ****, who can keep up, lol.

 

At this point Pac is in a tight with race AND drug testing. If he steps outside of the Top Rank camp and calls out an American Black guy he runs the risk of being challenged by TWO different fighters to drug test. This will completely validate Mayweather if he doesn't do it. If he is using PEDs, it will completely destroy him if he complies and looks like complete crap. He has what I believe to be a reasonable fear being that the Black fighter may be partial to FMJ brainwashing. So to your point it isn't a "racial thing" but it now does have a racial component.

It is a crappy argument put together by a guy who punches people for a living. I know what he means though. I deal with it constantly. I know what guys like him mean... It just comes out soooo bad. It is "noise" but there is a "signal" embedded in said noise.

Honestly, Mayweather wouldn't get credit for it. Styles make fights. They would all be boring as all hell. I am sure Mayweather could sell the first one, but after that... Nobody will pay to see him put on master classes against lesser boxers throwing 40 punches per round. See the JMM fight.

 

Well, bro, everything you said about Pacquiao is pretty much how I feel about Mayweather.

I can honestly say there are only two fighters I don't like. And that is Cintron & Malignaggi.

I have the utmost respect for Mayweather's skills and accomplishments and have always given him credit. I had nothing but praise for his win over Mosley. It is for this that I am so tough and critical about him. Mayweather gets a lot of respect, dude. The people who disrespect him the most are the Pacquiao fans who don't don't love boxing.

I apologize for jabbing you about your name. I'm just very passionate about the sport.

 

Pacman, ex promoter said he was purposely kept from fight black fighters in the past. The trend has continued but from here on out theirs no more excuses.

 

I feel you. Not sure of your race, but as you know there are certain "racialisms". Things that you know your people say/do and to an outsider they mean something totally different than literally what is said.

I think you are taking Hopkins literally when, if you talked to him in a group, every single fighter Pac didn't fight that happened to be Black is "slick" because Black folks got style. :roll: His hugggin' headbutting butt too!

I know what he means. I now better understand what Nate Campbell meant. I am trying to present it without the racial "you understoods". "Why are all of these guys getting shots and getting money when "we" have titles and occupy the upper echelons of weight classes? We beat the guys he is beating. Why isn't he fighting US?!?" Pac was given a pass before. Now their arguments are gaining legs.

Not a smoke screen, but a less complex ability to articulate. Nate Campbell said the same thing and was crucified.

 

Oh please he was hurt when pac went to Bob.

 

Word up man.

Those are the ******* Zombies that I am railing against. Not cats like you. I just could not take the constant belittling and covert racist jabs anymore. I just saw your avatar so figured... enemy!

All good man. My skin is thicker than that. You were making solid arguments against me. Earned my respect. :good

 

The ONLY way you can come close to making this point valid is PERHAPS in historical terms.

But I'm yet to read one person tell me who this slick African American Manny has ducked.

Nate Campbell would be poleaxed - Bradley is probably the only one I would give a shot too.

Has he really "ducked" Bradley or "ducked" slicksters?

 

Ignorance like this makes sense to you huh?

 

It was made HISTORICALLY and it has held TRUE to this day!

Zahir Raheem. Pac is ducking ALL Black American fighters.

Nate Campbell is so far out of his prime it isn't funny. To make it seem like it applies now is fake on your part. 140, 147, 154... Not a one. :think

 

I know right! :nut

I stopped at Black. I try my best not to use African American. I am as American as any White American. Put me in Africa and I am lost. A White South African has more claim to the title than I do.

I don't remember afro-american but these terms are like poop.... constantly being thrown against the wall to see which PC BS will stick.

Man you are a double agent to bring me out of Beastmode. :blood

 

DLH? Who said anything about him? Not me! He was clearly shot, and wasn't at all in the running as one of the rulers of 147.

Hatton was the lineal champ at 140, undefeated at that weight, and coming off a very impressive win against Malignaggi after being understandably beaten by the P4P #1 in a weight Hatton couldn't perform at. Nobody could have ever argued that Hatton was shot going into the Pacquiao fight. People didn't start saying it until he was sparked out in two by Pacquiao, but that's only by people who don't want to give pacquiao credit for steamrolling him in two rounds. There was 0 reason to believe that Hatton was anything other than his usual self. Alexander and Bradley were completely unproven commodities.

The fact is 147 was in a state of chaos when Pacquiao arrived. Mosley was NOT the unified champion of the division. He destroyed Margarito, but he lost to Cotto, so there was no consensus #1 at welterweight. Even after Margarito, Cotto was able to beat Clottey, who was fighting Margarito very well until his injury. That shows that Cotto was definitely NOT shot leading up to the Pac fight, and he went on to dominate Foreman. Pac did not beat a shot Cotto.

I think most people would agree that Cotto would win a rematch against Mosley.

$1.5 million for Clottey would have been nothing compared to what he would have been worth if he beat Pacquiao. If he beat Pacquiao, he would have become a national hero. Mayweather would have been knocking down his door, Mosley, Williams, a Pacquiaio rematch, everybody. Instead, he will probably never fight for big money again because he was underwhelmed against Pacquiao. He would not have done that intentionally for only $1.5 million, or even twice that. It's a massive stretch to argue otherwise, and far more likely that he was just beaten up by a fighter he couldn't get a bead on.

Remember, Mosley had a huge layoff after Margarito as well. And Mosley had every indication of being finished before the Margarito fight. There are people arguing on this very board that Mayweather was waiting for Mosley to be vulnerable enough for the taking. He saw the favorable stylistic matchup disguised the obvious decline.

You could argue that Margarito cheated Cotto but that throws Margarito's status even then in question. Mosley jumped to #1 only because of that win and looked shot before that. Margarito himself admits that he was physically and mentally not there for the Mosley fight.

But do you see what we're doing here? We're just going back and forth trashing fighters. And we could do that for pretty much every opponent Floyd or Pac or anyone else faced. It's a silly thing to do. The fact is Pac beat more top 5 ranked welterweights in a shorter period of time than any of his contemporaries and deserves credit for doing so. And all of the fighters you named (Williams, Bradley, Alexander, etc.) are fighters neither Pac or Floyd have faced. And it's not because they're black. Neither of them have faced Martinez or Khan, either.