Espn2 alert!! They'll talk about pac not fighting afro fighters!

So I guess the cut fairy came down and sprinkled it on him not Santos' fists?

Also, Santos has called Margo out NUMEROUS times saying he will kick his ass again. Why didn't Margo address it?

 

atsch

 

Zahir Raheem that beat Morales
Mosley right after Margo
Williams at 154
Berto maybe not up to it but better than post Margo Cotto

No they aren't all slick, but they are all at the top of their game. Pac took a different route.

 

this is why mayweather needs to man up and fight pacquiao, to end all the dispute about who has fought what kind of fighter. fact is, pacquiao hasnt fought a slick black fighter. and thats because there werent any good ones at the wiehgt classes hes fought at. a fight with mayweather ends all that. so its all on mayweather.

 

Its totally disgusting the way the news try to make race an issue. The people that report this garbage are the ones that see people for the color of their skin. Its sad and pathetic. He never fough a white American

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losers. Who cares

 

people are caught up in history. traditonally, people always look at the best fighters being black americans. but times have changed. the best heavyweaights are two white ukrainians. you would have been called crazy if you predicted that 20 years ago.

 

Clottey is a counter puncher who many felt won the fight against Cotto.
Cotto himself isn't exactly a brawler, nor is he slow. His own counter punching abilities are quite underrated. The only two that fit your description is Hatton, who was still considered to be the lineal champ at 140, and Margarito, who was just another feather in the cap.

He is a fraud? Seriously? How can you be so hypocritical when 3 out of 5 of Floyd's last opponents were no better. THAT is the hypocrisy I'm talking about.

Floyd decisively beat Mosely. Mosley destroyed, as you put it a "slow, come forward brawler/stalker". By your own admission(not mine, I was very impressed), Mosley's win isn't very impressive. This same Mosley looked like crap against the brawler Mayorga. This same Mosley was defeated by Cotto, who you also apparently consider to be a "slow, come forward brawler/stalker".

Floyd schooled Marquez, a blown up 135lb counter puncher, who didn't look that impressive against a "slow, come forward brawler/stalker" in Juan Diaz.

Floyd danced around Baldomir, another "slow, come forward brawler/stalker" and didn't even put the hurt on him.


So tell me this, bald_head_hypocrite, why are you so vehemently trying to discredit Pacquiao(with admittedly good points), by trying to discredit his last 5 opponents of the past TWO years, yet like a sneaky little rat, completely fail to note that Floyd's last 5 opponents of the past FOUR years are no better?

atsch

 

Well seeing as you seem to get most of your terrible posting claims from the magic boxrec fairy, and had you both watched the fight and seen the scores for it -

You would see it was a close fight.

It's hardly like you suggested before "SANTOS STOPPED HIM" like it was a one punch face first KO....

 

Floyd is so slick Pac can't even get him into a ring.

 

But are you arguing that Pac is avoiding "slick" fighters, black fighters, or slick black fighters? Because while Williams or Mosley are black, they're not slick, so I can't see how Pac beating either of them would really disprove Hopkins' theory.

You can argue that he's not fighting black american fighters in general, but the whole "slick black" thing simply can't work as a pattern because there aren't enough of them at Pac's various weight classes to constitute a pattern.

So are you saying he's avoiding black american fighters full stop? And if so, is that because you believe there's some sort of prejudice against black *americans* by Pac or his camp?

 

I think something was off with the Clottey fight. I am a Clottey fan and I have never seen him so timid.

Cotto isn't a brawler. Cotto is a stalker. Cotto isn't fast either. He began fighting off of his back foot as he moved up to 147 and was beginning to be out gunned. Hatton? Please. Margarito? Please. Both guys coming off of KO losses

He is a fraud after 130 before that he is an ATG. The same case can be made for Mayweather. The only problem is Mayweather didn't force anyone to a catch weight, he fought the TOP RANKED guys even for tune ups, and he destroyed the #1 WW. Polar opposite from Pac who used a catch weight EVERY time a slightly dangerous opponent showed himself and/or fought a guy coming off a devastating loss.

Mayorga is underrated. Period. Cotto squeaked by using a Plan B that is NOT his claim to fame. That same plan fell to pieces against at lesser fighter with a better motor Margo.

It was a tune up! Let it go. ODLH fought Forbes! Pac is more active. Good for him. Tune ups and weight tests happen in boxing.

Baldomir was the legitimate belt holder! "The hurt" isn't Mayweather's style. Styles make fights.

Because I think Pac is an amazing fighter. He isn't the fighter with the aesthetic that pleases me, but Pac deserves respect. Pac receives tons of respect. As he should. He is also a man with a complicated life outside of boxing. I don't care, he has still given his heart to the sport I love. I wish him the best, but why does his success have to come at the expense of Mayweather?

Now... I think Mayweather is a better fighter. He deserves respect. He never gets it. His personal life is always ridiculed here with subliminal racist taunts. Nothing he has done is respected even when he does it BEFORE Pac.

I have watched fairly silently trying to play the rational role defending my second favorite fighter. I won't be silent or civil anymore... UNLESS people are civil and present rational arguments. I will be just as venomous defending Mayweather and tearing down Pac as these guys are. Let's go!

You have been cool. Notice I never went ballistic although you keep jabbing me about my name. I respect you man. :good

 

I am analyzing the statements in the context of boxing and history. The analysis I come to? We need to look at this crap. It is Black American fighters. Hopkins was too specific. I think you are starting to follow me...

Nate Campbell said the same thing. I dismissed because I know Nate. Check my post history. I watch Pac move from 130, 135 cool. Then 140, 147, now 154? WTF? Still no Black guys and I even called the Margo fight without remembering Nate's comments.

No B-Hop says this. Man I know B-hop says some sideways crap, but this one has teeth (current truth) and a tail (history of truth). Pac sidesteps top ranked Black guys to fight non-Black guys with a name, but on the decline. Clottey was the exception but he was a plan b.

I hope that explains it.

 

Oh, forgot to address the other point. I think Pacquiao HAS faced the best at Welterweight. He fought and beat Cotto, Clottey and Margarito. Mosley beat Margarito, but he lost to Cotto, so I never thought he was head and shoulders above everybody else. In fact, other than a favorable stylistic matchup against Margarito, Mosley has failed to impress in several years. There *was* no top dog at welterweight at the time Pacquiao arrived, just several contenders who were playing a perpetual game of rock-paper-scissors (Mosley > Margarito > Cotto > Mosley > Margarito > Clottey).

Pac did more to break the stalemate than anyone else at welterweight by fighting three of the top contenders and beating them decisively. In doing so, he made a stronger claim to being the best at welterweight than anybody else, including Williams.

 

ok, I get your position on this. So you're taking the "slick" part out of the equation entirely and just flat out saying he's avoiding african american fighters.

Williams, Mosley and Mayweather all have entirely different styles. So if it's nothing stylistic (which is basically what Hopkins is arguing), what do YOU think it is that explains why he hasn't fought any of them yet? It couldn't be flat out racism against blacks, because he fought Clottey, so is it something specific to the "-american" part of "african-american" in your view?

And if he does indeed fight Mosley next, like Arum is implying, would that thing you think it is still hold true?